Winter 2020/21 - Moans, Ramps & Chat

[sparky1972]

well this cold spell has been a complete bust for here, rain/drizzle and chilly thats as good as it gets, maybe thursday might be cold but we are back to rain by monday, bring on the spring when we can sit in the garden hopefully with friends that we have not been allowed to see for ages.

[NPA]

Have to say I'm not particularly looking forward to the snow and ice potential... Too dangerous on the roads. Bring on when it gets milder, even if it's raining!

[Deep Snow please]

20 minutes ago, SLEETY said:

Yeah rubbish here and now that tweet that the easterlies next week where SE always does well will be warmer than normal because of the higher than average temps across Europe,means it wont be nice and dry snow,if we even get any.

Dissapointed now

Need a really long fetch Northerly now,to save  this pathetic attempt of a cold spell here.

Nothing wrong with dry snow. Accumulates quicker to start with. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Deep Snow please

[WinterWilf]

27 minutes ago, DCee said:

Be fun if you were right. But the majority of the UK is more likely to see cold rain and sleet at low levels. The cold repeatedly remains at 10 days, the slack air does not support snow unfortunately and nor does any easterly from a warm continent.

I like the current synoptics but the reality is we might just have to put this winter down to what-could-have-been.

Happy to be proved wrong of course. 

Lol .

Is it spring already the daffodils coming up. It's 29th of Dec. 

Anything after a few days is fiction plenty can happen between now and when spring actually does start.

Edited December 29, 2020 by WinterWilf

[Duncan McAlister]

Very happy just to see some consistent cold, seasonal weather but nothing spectacular. In fact we’ve had a couple of snow flurries here. The ‘spectacular’ setups almost invariably disappoint here because they’re usually just too dry. Would rather have a surprise flurry or two from a below average setup than something like the Beast from the East which was probably the biggest letdown here of my weather-watching life (though great for East Ayrshire of course and even Troon and Prestwick!)

[Freeze]

Why do the temps always go up at night? Just hit 3.8c my max of the day.. cloud always kills chance of a frost!!

[SLEETY]

Gfs permutation 2 and the end of ECM run are on the money if you ask me.

Will be digging ourselves out of the snow when they verify all the way down to zero.

 

[Tim Bland]

2 hours ago, prolongedSnowLover said:

I think the Met Office are jinxing the snow prospects for the South East by issuing yellow warnings as soon as they see a slim chance of snowfall.

More often than not have the yellow warnings proved not right!

In future, if we don’t get any yellow warnings for snowfall, we may actually get some snowfall!!

They are at risk of ‘crying wolf’  as next time there is a snow risk everyone will roll their eyes and ignore them. They can’t really win though because if they didn’t put out a warning and last nights ECM came off , they would get slated

[ItNeverSnowsInWindsor]

3 minutes ago, Tim Bland said:

They are at risk of ‘crying wolf’  as next time there is a snow risk everyone will roll their eyes and ignore them. They can’t really win though because if they didn’t put out a warning and last nights ECM came off , they would get slated

What’s a point in putting a warning out and then updating it a day later which is still a day away from the event ?

 

False alarms don’t really help as it destroys plans that folk otherwise would’ve made.

What’s more alarming is that the amount of snowfall looks pathetic on the northern edge of a band that is insignificant in itself.

Just take a look at the countless times the MetO have put out warnings in the South for snow not to materialise. Think they need to focus on being more proactive when things develop within 24 hours rather than putting early false warnings!!

[Tim Bland]

1 minute ago, prolongedSnowLover said:

What’s a point in putting a warning out and then updating it a day later which is still a day away from the event ?

 

False alarms don’t really help as it destroys plans that folk otherwise would’ve made.

What’s more alarming is that the amount of snowfall looks pathetic on the northern edge of a band that is insignificant in itself.

Just take a look at the countless times the MetO have put out warnings in the South for snow not to materialise. Think they need to focus on being more proactive when things develop within 24 hours rather than putting early false warnings!!

Couldn’t agree more. Meteogrouo are just as bad and so far behind the curve it’s laughable. At lunchtime they were still showing last nights ECM with snow up to south mids and all of  Easg Anglia  Literally just saw the bbc forecast on news channel and they are still talking about snow for inland south?  Looks like a bit of sleet for hants and the isle of weight at most on latest runs! 

[NewEra21]

Let's be real, this so called cold spell isn't exactly a cold spell. It's just a bit of a below average spell.

Even in the worst of winters places sometimes still get a brief dusting of snow from a 24 hour toppler. And we've seen 24 hour topplers pack more of a punch than this current spell.

All this marginality just doesn't equate to a cold spell imo. A lot of places still haven't even managed a frost this week.

Yes the synoptics and pattern looks wonderful, and from just looking at the charts you'd think we'd be in the freezer. But unfortunately the cold just isn't there.

Maybe we will eventually unlock the door to true cold, but this week was overhyped by many. When in reality it was never looking as cold as we would have liked to believe.

[Shunter]

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10 minutes ago, NewEra21 said:

Let's be real, this so called cold spell isn't exactly a cold spell. It's just a bit of a below average spell.

Even in the worst of winters places sometimes still get a brief dusting of snow from a 24 hour toppler. And we've seen 24 hour topplers pack more of a punch than this current spell.

All this marginality just doesn't equate to a cold spell imo. A lot of places still haven't even managed a frost this week.

Yes the synoptics and pattern looks wonderful, and from just looking at the charts you'd think we'd be in the freezer. But unfortunately the cold just isn't there.

Maybe we will eventually unlock the door to true cold, but this week was overhyped by many. When in reality it was never looking as cold as we would have liked to believe.

Just watched the BBC forecast for the week ahead......London daytime temps 5-7c throughout with low pressure moving up from the South next week. They mentioned some Snow but really? With those temperatures?

very, very disappointing considering the synoptics.

 

[Duncan McAlister]

9 minutes ago, NewEra21 said:

Let's be real, this so called cold spell isn't exactly a cold spell. It's just a bit of a below average spell.

Even in the worst of winters places sometimes still get a brief dusting of snow from a 24 hour toppler. And we've seen 24 hour topplers pack more of a punch than this current spell.

All this marginality just doesn't equate to a cold spell imo. A lot of places still haven't even managed a frost this week.

Yes the synoptics and pattern looks wonderful, and from just looking at the charts you'd think we'd be in the freezer. But unfortunately the cold just isn't there.

Maybe we will eventually unlock the door to true cold, but this week was overhyped by many. When in reality it was never looking as cold as we would have liked to believe.

It’s a good seasonal spell at the heart of winter, possibly quite a prolonged spell, which is a vast improvement on the past couple of years of dross - mild, rain and worst of all imo the constant gales. And there is more chance of something better forming out of this setup than the usual.

[I remember Atlantic 252]

6 minutes ago, Shunter said:

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Just watched the BBC forecast for the week ahead......London daytime temps 5-7c throughout with low pressure moving up from the South next week. They mentioned some Snow but really? With those temperatures?

very, very disappointing considering the synoptics.

 

LP from the south? not sure any models show that next week, hmm may start appearing on models

[Bradley in Kent]

RE snow in the South East on Thursday I was actually disappointed to see good charts yesterday and this morning simply because positions of Lows always shift the closer you get to the event.

I'd have preferred to have seen it further North or South as it would have evolved to be closer.

Obviously that's a totally selfish IMBY standpoint! I'd prefer to miss out to the Midlands rather than the whole country get nothing at all!

[ItNeverSnowsInWindsor]

One thing we need is solid synoptics with very cold uppers nearby to tap into. Otherwise everything will be watered down and marginal. Unfortunately during the years the global warming has caused certain synoptics to not take place any longer like continuous draw of easterlies or northerlies without modifications.

 

we best probably move to Canada!!!

[ItNeverSnowsInWindsor]

What a pathetic state the U.K. has become (the South with no snowfalls and other areas struggling to deal with minuscule amounts of snow)

 

embarrasing.

[Severe Blizzard]

Guildford, Surrey. no storms in the summer. No snow in the winter. Usually Atlantic dominated. Rare deviation to favourable synoptics for storms or snow always ends in disappointment and end up empty-handed. Utter cr*p and suitable finale to this despicable year. 

[Freeze]

24 minutes ago, Severe Blizzard said:

Guildford, Surrey. no storms in the summer. No snow in the winter. Usually Atlantic dominated. Rare deviation to favourable synoptics for storms or snow always ends in disappointment and end up empty-handed. Utter cr*p and suitable finale to this despicable year. 

Same here except without being inland convection is almost non existent here in summer, so I suppose that's one positive with Guildford lol all the same areas further north get both.

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Freeze

[ItNeverSnowsInWindsor]

2 hours ago, prolongedSnowLover said:

One thing we need is solid synoptics with very cold uppers nearby to tap into. Otherwise everything will be watered down and marginal. Unfortunately during the years the global warming has caused certain synoptics to not take place any longer like continuous draw of easterlies or northerlies without modifications.

 

we best probably move to Canada!!!

Having said that, does it ever snow in Vancouver ? I know all about Whistler / Banff / Calgary.

[TheOgre]

We’ve actually had a decent snowfall here in Derbyshire. It snowed all yesterday morning. The cold over the next few days should be able to retain it

 

[ItNeverSnowsInWindsor]

10 minutes ago, TheOgre said:

We’ve actually had a decent snowfall here in Derbyshire. It snowed all yesterday morning. The cold over the next few days should be able to retain it

 

Good for you up north! Quite pathetic down south as usual!

[lassie23]

BBC and others have said the first 2 weeks of January are going to be colder than average with snow possibilities from time to time. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by lassie23

[Anthony Burden]

Before I mention the charts this morning I would just like to congratulate the brilliant oxford 

scientists for saving this planet.OK on to the weather brilliant charts for all of us who like

cold and snowy conditions can’t get much better or can it.

[Griff]

I meant to add rather than chasing snow events at a couple of days, aren't we usually chasing phantom SSWs at +10 days? 

More reason for optimism than I can ever recall.