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5 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

Could be looking at mid teens in the favoured Foehn Effect spots later this week. An early taste of spring for some especially if you got some sunshine.

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Not according to this, max temps for this day.

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3 hours ago, Timbo said:

Yes looks promising, the shortwave around Iceland is missing allowing the high to amplify more than other models, look a the deep cold trying to move in from the NE, what a turn around this would be if it amplifies more and pulls in a frigid North Easter, we have seen models flip at the last minute before , why not this time 

We can hope ? Some on here have implied that I have gone hyper optimistic with my thoughts but like you say, flips can happen very suddenly in our favour. Not often but it can happen. The ridging into Scandi that I have been banging on about has got stronger during the last 24 hours modelling. 

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FI, but imagine this from the NW - crazy blizzards for many !!

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6 minutes ago, Ali1977 said:

FI, but imagine this from the NW - crazy blizzards for many !!

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Blizzards of rain away from high ground sadly. 850 values of around -4c on a PM flow won't deliver much for most. This type of chart can be so misleading ? Pennines might do OK though under this. 

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24 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

Could be looking at mid teens in the favoured Foehn Effect spots later this week. An early taste of spring for some especially if you got some sunshine.

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and i bet any money spring will feature plenty of northern blocking,just the way it is in the u.k. climate now,lol

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1 minute ago, SLEETY said:

and i bet any money spring will feature plenty of northern blocking,just the way it is in the u.k. climate now,lol

If it means getting cold/snow in spring, I'll take that!

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25 minutes ago, Lampostwatcher said:

Cold rain ?

Sleet and snow for most with decent blizzard like conditions on the Welsh mountains and Scottish Uplands.

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Trouble is most of it would rapidly melt ??

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Typical UK 'powder-puff' winter stuff ??

It won't verify anyway.....

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1 hour ago, Ali1977 said:

Not according to this, max temps for this day.

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The models will struggle to show the Foehn Effect. It's happened many times before.

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15 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

The models will struggle to show the Foehn Effect. It's happened many times before.

Yes, that's what I was thinking.

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1 hour ago, Steve Murr said:

Forecast exit was Norfolk 3 days ago - Still happy with that assessment !

Ecm close Steve although it pretty well loses definition on an upper trough at T78

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1 hour ago, blizzard81 said:

We can hope ? Some on here have implied that I have gone hyper optimistic with my thoughts but like you say, flips can happen very suddenly in our favour. Not often but it can happen. The ridging into Scandi that I have been banging on about has got stronger during the last 24 hours modelling. 

Just to illustrate my point. Today's ecm day 4 compared to yesterday's day 5. Scandi high is there at day 4.

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All - Its really not a bad start to Winter. European Alps are looking good for the Xmas period and we dont say that v often. The southerly tracking jet has done the business of the ski industry. 

Still lots to play for

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3 minutes ago, Cleeve Hill said:

All - Its really not a bad start to Winter. European Alps are looking good for the Xmas period and we dont say that v often. The southerly tracking jet has done the business of the ski industry. 

Still lots to play for

The higher resorts yes, lower ones struggle . Could be a similar story early Jan if the GFS mean rings true. Hoping for a NW/SE flow on day 10 of the ECM, looks like the only chance of cold in the foreseeable!! 

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Fridays ecm for this coming Saturday compared to today's chart for the same day. 

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5 minutes ago, blizzard81 said:

Fridays ecm for this coming Saturday compared to today's chart for the same day. 

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And I guess that’s why day 10 charts are often so wrong!! 

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Positives.....

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It won't be mild,

southerly tracking jet,

No European blocking.

 

*awaits the 'negatives' posts....

Does there have to be any?....

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9 minutes ago, Ali1977 said:

The higher resorts yes, lower ones struggle . Could be a similar story early Jan if the GFS mean rings true. Hoping for a NW/SE flow on day 10 of the ECM, looks like the only chance of cold in the foreseeable!! 

We are a higher resort at 1650m and the snow conditions are heavy. Freezing level just below 200om . Way to mild.

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I’m seriously sick of the ? we have to deal with in winter . +10 850s no thanks ecm . Have a good Christmas everyone , taking a week off from the horrible model output . ?

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Saw this from Matt Hugo on Twitter. Although not much change at all in 850’s, there is a lot more spread for T2 temp’s from 12z GEFS for the end of this week.

comparing the 12z to 00z below, they’re a lot more colder members at the surface on the 12z suite suggesting perhaps more continental influence and the high getting that bit further north.

However perhaps just a rogue suite.

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1 minute ago, bobbydog said:

Positives.....

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It won't be mild,

southerly tracking jet,

No European blocking.

 

*awaits the 'negatives' posts....

Does there have to be any?....

Sorry bobby dog I’ve just posted a negative post , I usually stay positive but just sick of this horrible output . ☹️

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6 minutes ago, ICE COLD said:

Sorry bobby dog I’ve just posted a negative post , I usually stay positive but just sick of this horrible output . ☹️

I know. You can't polish a turd

But you can put glitter on it... ?

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51 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

The models will struggle to show the Foehn Effect. It's happened many times before.

Also the Gfs tends to underestimate maximum temperatures by 1 or 2c 

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14 minutes ago, ICE COLD said:

I’m seriously sick of the ? we have to deal with in winter . +10 850s no thanks ecm . Have a good Christmas everyone , taking a week off from the horrible model output . ?

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Prefer that to what is showing in FI on GFS! to me that EC chart looks decent, 13 degrees dryish?

where as GFS looks like 5 degrees and wet?

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26 minutes ago, Ali1977 said:

And I guess that’s why day 10 charts are often so wrong!! 

Quite a decent day 10 chart ? 

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