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32 minutes ago, Chertseystreamer79 said:

6th feb...come on frosty...don't panic

It was only 5th/6th Feb when first signs of Beast showed up on GFS!

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Well this run is making a better effort of building heights into Scandi, I know something Blue has been expecting to see

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Exciting week coming. But.....if proper cold is your thing and not marginal NW activity then we are taking significant steps backwards at the moment. The EPS mean for 240h is a long way from anything good

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making a monkey out of both the MetO long term forecast from a couple of weeks ago and the runs of EC46 which have all supported teleconnective signals pointing to a blocked atlantic and a continental feed via reversal. Strat charts at 240 suggest a jet being dragged south, but no significant signal for a cut off block to the north of the UK where we would want to see disruption of the flow focused.

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I am ever optimistic, but our winter cold is still side stepping away from the UK and refusing either the develop the -NAO signature that looked significantly likely as we approached mid Jan or develop core cold to the NE. I'm beginning to take ever greater sips from the glass that was most definitely at least half full through all of winter so far but now looking less so.

Meanwhile somewhere in the south looks likely to see snow this week, amounts uncertain, extent to which it will stick uncertain. Perhaps I've got greedy - but "uncertain" wasn't on the menu when looking at winter from a long term perspective early doors. But let's see how it all pans out - upgrades are as possible as downgrades and we aren't into Feb yet.

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2 minutes ago, Catacol said:

Exciting week coming. But.....if proper cold is your thing and not marginal NW activity then we are taking significant steps backwards at the moment. The EPS mean for 240h is a long way from anything good

 

 

 

To be honest, deep cold from HLB has yet to materialise for our island unfortunately, so maybe getting some snowfall from marginal setups with PM sourced air is our best bet for now! 

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4 minutes ago, Ice Day said:

Well this run is making a better effort of building heights into Scandi, I know something Blue has been expecting to see

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Because or the track of Thursday low as it exits the uk. 

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The North / South type conversations are quite funny actually, especially considering Tuesdays low hasn't even formed in the Atlantic yet and won't for another 18-24 hours yet approx. So anything further into next week is a bit of a lottery still. This can all change at the drop of a hat.

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Really interesting NH profile starting to appear around days 8-9, the PV is all over the show with heights building over Greenland.  Looks like the downwelling from the SSW is starting to have big impacts!?

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32 minutes ago, Tim Bland said:

A good 8hrs of snow with accumulations around 5-7cm in the south / south east. Best so far this winter for widespread snow in this area. It won’t be smowmagedon but enough for a snowman in places 

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Surely a little more than that for 8 hours?

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1 minute ago, That ECM said:

Because or the track of Thursday low as it exits the uk. 

Let's wait and see how the FV3 handles things? Hopefully, not the same way as this!

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10 minutes ago, Catacol said:

Exciting week coming. But.....if proper cold is your thing and not marginal NW activity then we are taking significant steps backwards at the moment. The EPS mean for 240h is a long way from anything good

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making a monkey out of both the MetO long term forecast from a couple of weeks ago and the runs of EC46 which have all supported teleconnective signals pointing to a blocked atlantic and a continental feed via reversal. Strat charts at 240 suggest a jet being dragged south, but no significant signal for a cut off block to the north of the UK where we would want to see disruption of the flow focused.

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I am ever optimistic, but our winter cold is still side stepping away from the UK and refusing either the develop the -NAO signature that looked significantly likely as we approached mid Jan or develop core cold to the NE. I'm beginning to take ever greater sips from the glass that was most definitely at least half full through all of winter so far but now looking less so.

Meanwhile somewhere in the south looks likely to see snow this week, amounts uncertain, extent to which it will stick uncertain. Perhaps I've got greedy - but "uncertain" wasn't on the menu when looking at winter from a long term perspective early doors. But let's see how it all pans out - upgrades are as possible as downgrades and we aren't into Feb yet.

Yes it seems the attempts have tried to show there hand ie blocking but never fell or developed in the more favourable areas.The se flow hasn't kicked on but as you say who knows going into Feb!!!

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Just now, AmershamMike said:

Surely a little more than that for 8 hours?

There’s a good chance Tues early eve starts as rain. So although some areas see precip for 8hrs, 2hrs could be rain and last hour or so will be light and patchy 

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Last time I logged on here was Friday...there have been 66 pages since! 😂😨

I am sure each page has been filled with friendly chat and absolutely no bickering whatsoever! 😁

The main interest for me is Tuesday - lots of heavy cheeky snow showers blowing through! Hopefully they will leave enough on the ground to build a wee snowman! ☃️

Thursday/Friday could be interesting for Scotland if the GFS 6z has it nailed - doubt that very much though! 

Looks very exciting down South with regards to potential significant snowfall - hope it delivers for you all! I know it has been a very tough Winter so far - all the best ladies and gents! Look forward to seeing some great snowy scene pictures in the regional threads soon! ❄️

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6 minutes ago, Mr Frost said:

Last time I logged on here was Friday...there have been 66 pages since! 😂😨

I am sure each page has been filled with friendly chat and absolutely no bickering whatsoever! 😁

The main interest for me is Tuesday - lots of heavy cheeky snow showers blowing through! Hopefully they will leave enough on the ground to build a wee snowman! ☃️

Thursday/Friday could be interesting for Scotland is the GFS 6z has it nailed - doubt that very much though! 

The great thing about Thursday is that whilst the models all pretty much agree on the broad placement/strength now, the angle of attack makes a huge difference as does the exact shape and the models aren't really going to call that any time soon.

What I would say is at the moment I think the GFS is by far the most northerly model (and that is fairly typical I have to say!) when it comes to the front, most models are a solid 50-100 miles south with regards to the northern extent, however still plenty of time to come on that one and I'm sure you'll be getting plenty of snow showers/troughs .

So all to play for still for sure!!

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Gfs para further south with the low!!just keep an eye on euro4 now!!

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20 minutes ago, Catacol said:

Exciting week coming. But.....if proper cold is your thing and not marginal NW activity then we are taking significant steps backwards at the moment. The EPS mean for 240h is a long way from anything good

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making a monkey out of both the MetO long term forecast from a couple of weeks ago and the runs of EC46 which have all supported teleconnective signals pointing to a blocked atlantic and a continental feed via reversal. Strat charts at 240 suggest a jet being dragged south, but no significant signal for a cut off block to the north of the UK where we would want to see disruption of the flow focused.

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I am ever optimistic, but our winter cold is still side stepping away from the UK and refusing either the develop the -NAO signature that looked significantly likely as we approached mid Jan or develop core cold to the NE. I'm beginning to take ever greater sips from the glass that was most definitely at least half full through all of winter so far but now looking less so.

Meanwhile somewhere in the south looks likely to see snow this week, amounts uncertain, extent to which it will stick uncertain. Perhaps I've got greedy - but "uncertain" wasn't on the menu when looking at winter from a long term perspective early doors. But let's see how it all pans out - upgrades are as possible as downgrades and we aren't into Feb yet.

Hi catacol 

The ext eps are not looking great but that said they have looked great for weeks in the extended and haven’t delivered anyway . Hopefully something will just come up in the mid range around days 7-10 . I’ve lost faith this winter in all long range models tbh lol . 

Cheers . 

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Low further south on GFSP compared with its previous runs...

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2 minutes ago, Cold Winter said:

Low further south on GFSP compared with its previous runs...

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And heads se as opposed to gfs👍

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18 minutes ago, Bring Back1962-63 said:

 

So, it looks like all this is finally occurring with a much greater degree of harmony.  The AO (Arctic oscillation) is already going -ve and should go more strongly -ve next week with HP showing up near the pole.  The PNA (Pacific North American oscillation) is also going +ve with the Aleutian LP setting up.  The down stream pattern of ridges and blocks then develops in conjunction with the forced extensive HLB from the Arctic.  The Canadian PV should weaken and be pushed further south.  HP is likely to rise in the Greenland area.  Siberian, Arctic and Scandinavian HPs should all be seen at stages and the NAO (North Atlantic oscillation) should at last go -ve.  For Europe and the UK an extended period of north easterlies or easterlies are favoured.  The current LPs with increasingly polar maritime and Arctic incursions in it should be forced southwards or south eastwards.  Given the long SSW event in the strat,, we can expect these surface conditions to dominate for much of February and perhaps well into March too.  Eastern CONUS and Canada should see even more extensive and prolonged cold.  Just how much snow any of us see will be decided closer to the events but all of us should see a fair amount of it.

 

 

Lets hope your right because at the moment the GEFS out to +384 suggest the opposite for much of Europe & UK. See my previous post on the GEFS 850hpa means across various locations. The theme at the moment is to keep the very cold air bottled up in the Arctic.

The GFS Op is a good example.

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Based on current output we would be waiting till mid Feb!

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Yep South East England has a yellow warning Tuesday evening for snow and now looking like the low on Thursday is trending south with a risk of more snow ..

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i see now at 87 hr  we got two more lows  in the north sea

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