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Lovely looking storm this afternoon! 

Here's the one that didn't get away. Taken at Crawley, West Sussex.

All bark but no bite down here on the south coast! 

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2 hours ago, TJS1998Tom said:

Shame here in Pickering, North Yorkshire the main storm missed us but it was interesting to see it build up in the distance

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Top pic - funnel cloud or just cheeky scud?

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Video I took showing the storm approaching. Doesn't do it justice with all the CC lightning and low roaring thunder that was occurring. Last clip shows the storm at its closest before I retreated to the car :D There's a nice CG with booming thunder near the end, too!

Second video is rendering at the moment :)

 

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It has been a disappointing day for storms across a large proportion of the Midlands. The first round of storms didn't make it and the second round erupted just a few miles to the NW of here. I drove out to the southern Peak District and caught a developing storm near to Congleton which offered me a few rumbles but compared to what occured elsewhere it was slim pickings.

The Met Office have there severe warnings just reaching into Derbyshire tomorrow but most of the Midlands and the southern half England and Wales are covered by it. This is a warning for torrential rain and lightning in association with thunderstorms which may push across the region tomorrow night. That being said it is worth noting the warning matrix.

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Much like was the case today there are differences between the models regarding how widespread thunder will be and also how much rainfall. General consensus though, the further south and east you are then the better the chance.

EDIT: Although some models favour further to the SW. I will leave this to the experts.

 

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Second and final video showing the might of the storm as it passed overhead. Three clips put together - the first shows the rain battering the windows, the second shows the hail from the other more sheltered side of the car and the third shows the aftermath :)

edit: second clip shows the hail best, from about 4 minutes onwards (I'd say it reached marble sized-ish)

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Storm Forecast
Valid: Sun 28 May 2017 06:00 to Mon 29 May 2017 06:00 UTC
Issued: Sat 27 May 2017 20:01
Forecaster: TUSCHY

A level 1 was issued for N-/W-Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, N-France, S-UK, N-CNTRL- / NW-Spain and N-Portugal mainly for large hail, excessive rain, isolated severe wind gusts and to a lesser extent for a localized tornado threat.

A level 1 was issued for CNTRL-Sweden mainly for isolated large hail and severe wind gusts and to a lesser extent for excessive rain.

A level 1 was issued for SE-Europe mainly for isolated large hail, severe wind gusts a localized excessive rain.

SYNOPSIS

A stout ridge extends from the W-Mediterranean to CNTRL-Europe and is framed by two weakening Rossby-waves. One is centered over the far east NE-Atlantic and approaches the Bay of Biscay and Ireland while the other one is analyzed over SE Europe. The latter one is about to drop off the frontal zone but no cut off process is yet seen in model data until Monday 06 UTC.
Beside those longwave troughs, numerous more or less pronounced short-waves circle the ridge. The most prominent wave is well recognized in moisture-channel imagery. This wave is about to leave the E-North Sea to the E, crossing S-Norway/Sweden during the day and it will approach the CNTRL Baltic Sea during the evening hours. This short-wave is about to phase with another short-wave, which crosses N-Norway/Sweden during the same time-frame. Both waves evolve into a broad trough over Finland which progresses E/SE during the night.

Similar happens at lower levels, as both waves will be accompanied by surface vortices, which weaken betimes and merge into a broad LL vortex over Finland during the night. Despite a constant weakening trend of the LL pressure area over the North Sea, a frontal boundary is forecast to get pushed south towards N-France, Benelux, N-Germany and the far SE-Baltic Sea. Frontolytic processes and a re-strengthening mid/upper ridge atop (at least from France to Germany) cause this front to slow-down and become quasi-stationary within that corridor...although expexted thunderstorm activity and attendant cold pools may reinforce the frontal movement to the S/SE during the evening and overnight hours.

DISCUSSION

... NW-Spain, W- France and SW-UK ...

With the approach of a positive tilted upper trough from the W, a broad swath from Portugal to NW-France will see increasing deep layer lift and augmented mid-level winds of 20-25 m/s at 500 hPa. To pinpoint spots for CI remains a bit tough with numerous scenarios possible.

a) ... NW-France and S-UK ...

Ongoing thunderstorms from the previous night over the Bay of Biscay will start more elevated with 500-800 J/kg MUCAPE and 20 m/s DLS. Organized convection may already pose an isolated large hail threat.
Thunderstorms move to the NE and eventually onshore over NW-France during the daytime hours. There, a CAPE/shear space exists, favorable for organized DMC with 20-25 m/DLS and 800 - 1500 J/kg MLCAPE. Either expect onshore moving storms to root into the warm/moist BL air mass or expect CI onshore. Multicells/isolated supercells are possible over NW-France, which move off to the N/NE. Large hail, severe wind gusts and an isolated tornado risk is forecast with that activity. Thunderstorms weaken offshore over the English Channel with cooler LL air while crossing a sharp E-W aligned CAPE gradient. CI will be more isolated in nature, although upscale growing convection can't be ruled out with one or two clusters affecting the English Channel until sunset.

Confidence in more widespread CI increases during the night with the development of a diffuse/weak LL vortex over the W-English Channel in response to the approaching upper trough. This vortex pushes a wavy front east and a cluster of organized thunderstorms is forecast to evolve over NW-France and/or SW-UK. Forecast soundings reveal more elevated convection with MUCAPE of 1 kJ/kg and 20 m/s DLS. Also, 0-3 km shear increases to 15-20 m/s over far S-UK. Expect thunderstorms to grow upscale into a cluster of storms while crossing S-UK from WSW to ENE. Large hail will be the main risk. However, given amount of 0-3 km shear and persistent influx of moist/warm air from the S, a severe wind gust theat with a rapidly eastbound moving bowing line is possible. Weak mid-level height falls and the quasi-stationary nature of the evolving LL vortex over the W-English Channel lower the chance for a forced line of convection but indicate more of an internally organized (cold pool driven) event. Hence, the final outcome of that event depends on mesoscale impacts and nowcasting of the front's placement during the night and remains somewhat uncertain right now.

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... N-Spain, N-Portugal to SW-France ...

Modest BL moisture and steep mid-level lapse rates atop a quasi-stationary frontal boundary yield a CAPE/shear space supportive of organized DMC. 20-25 m/s DLS and 400-800 J/kg MLCAPE (just along the front around 1000 J/kg) indicate a good chance for organized multicells/a few supercells to erupt during the noon/afternoon hours. Similar shear conditions but with somewhat less CAPE exist towards far N-Portugal/NW-Spain, where organized multicells are possible as well. Large hail, severe wind gusts and heavy rain will be the main threat. An isolated tornado event can't be ruled out, especially along the coast of the S-Bay of Biscay. With constantly strengthening deep layer forcing, expect convection to grow upscale into a cluster of storms, which moves NE towards the SE-Bay of Biscay and SW-France. Loss of diabatic heating and increasing CIN should cause a gradual weakening trend of that cluster during the early night, although outflow-driven re-development over SW-France with 1000 J/kg MUCAPE and 20 m/s DLS may elongate the severe risk until 06 UTC on a more isolated scale.


... NE-France, Belgium, Luxembourg and N-/W-Germany ...

A leisurely southbound moving cold front becomes drapped beneath a re-strengthening mid-/upper ridge. Its placement is still uncertain and dependant on the thunderstorm activity from the previous night. However expect the front to stall somewhere within the level area. Strong confluence causes maximized moisture pooling along that boundary with mixed-layer mixing ratios in excess of 12-13 g/kg and BL dewpoints in the upper tens. Though the EML plume advects towards the area of interest, it also weakens betimes. Moderate lapse rates atop that kind of BL moisture offer 1000 - 2000 J/kg MLCAPE. Peak values are forecast over N-CNTRL France with decreasing values to the NE.

The main forcing will be the short-wave over S-Norway/Sweden, moving east and grazing far N-Germany around noon / peak heating. A combination of residual outflow boundaries from the convection of the previous night, the frontal boundary and the grazing short-wave aloft should add enough forcing for CI probably before noon. Further to the W, towards NE-France, any potential source of forcing becomes rather diffuse with more isolated CI. In general an downswing of the activity is forecast during the night as mid-level heights increase.

DLS in this area remains weak with 10 m/s or less but strengthens temporarily to 10-15 m/s towards the Baltic Sea during the passage of the wave (afternoon hours) and offers 15 m/s 0-3 km shear along the front itself.

For Beglium, Luxembourg and N-Germany, the CAPE/shear space supports strong to severe thunderstorms with a few organized multicells possible. Upscale growth into a few smaller clusters is forecast, which move to the E/SE. Large hail and excessive rain is expected with initiating and slow moving storms. A few cold pool driven clusters may be capable of producing swaths with strong to severe wind gusts. Synoptic-wise, the tornado threat should be rather low due to weak background shear, but 150 J/kg LLCAPE and potential interaction of convection with residual outflow boundaries may support an isolated tornado threat as well.

Latest guidance supports the highest risk for organized DMC over parts of Belgium and W-North Rhine Westphalia, where forecast soundings show CI with 1500-2000 J/kg MLCAPE. We thought about upgrading that part to a small level 2. However, uncertainty of where CI occurs (placement of outflow boundaries and the front itself) and potential early initiation precluded that upgrade for now. Also nocturnal passage of a wind shift adds uncertainties about air mass quality during the start of the day.

A similar threat exists over NE-France although the coverage will be less than further east. Strong CAPE offsets weak DLS and a level 1 for large hail, excessive rain and isolated severe wind gusts seems reasonable with any developing thunderstorm. The 50% lightning probability area was issued to account for a second risk of thunderstorms during the night from the W/SW.

... S-CNTRL Sweden ...

A warm /moist and unstable warm sector evolves over the area of interest during noon/afternoon. A phasing short-wave and a consolidating LL vortex approach from the W and push a cold front east during that time, scattered convective initiation is expected. DLS of 10-15 m/s and similar 0-3 km shear with 400-800 J/kg MLCAPE is enough for a few organized multicells with isolated large hail, strong to isolated severe wind gusts and a localized excessive rainfall threat. Strengthening linear forcing should support a rapid upscale growth into a cluster of storms, which moves east before weakening over the N-Baltic Sea during the night. Eastward fanning MUCAPE plume however may support embedded thunderstorms all the way to SE-Finland - by then, no severe risk is forecast.

... SE-Europe ...

Placed beneath the broad upper trough, another day with diurnal driven scattered thunderstorm activity is expected onshore during the day and offshore during the night. Weak shear precludes organized convection, so the main risk will be isolated large hail with initiation storms and locally excessive rain as thunderstorms cluster betimes. An isolated waterspout risk is possible along the coast of the E-Ionian and the Aegean Sea.

A few organized multicells are possible from Albania to SW-Romania, where 20 m/s DLS and roughly 500 J/kg MLCAPE overlap. Isolated large hail will be the main hazard.

http://www.estofex.org/cgi-bin/polygon/showforecast.cgi?text=yes&fcstfile=2017052906_201705272001_1_stormforecast.xml

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Evening gang ,It was great in my location of north somerset , probably best action for many years and coming at that magical time of early hours .I have not been posting much of late ,losing my mother in law back in february ,after nursing her for nearly two years ,and now my great wife is very poorly .Must admit with my wife in hospital and so being alone at home last night ,i did venture out in our porch last night to watch the storm ,although fantastic when the forked lightning started i did venture back inside to watch it from an open window ,Lets hope we all get some more action later tomorrow ,but i think its best to wait till morning as the track is not yet modelled even with the experts ,but i,m sure there will be some happy bunnys around ,cheers gang ,legritter .:yahoo::yahoo:

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Some pretty gorgeous looking parameters for a few hours tomorrow night :bomb:

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Hi all, I'm new to Netweather and this is my first post. Just wanted to quickly introduce myself, I've been a weather nut most of my life and enjoy anything from winter gales to snow to catching the first glimps of Altocumulus castellanus. 

Last night I watched the best night time storm here (Poole) for two years, as I'm sure many of you on here did also to. Such a curious and exciting event, lightening every second, from cells reaching from my South to the NW and really very little rain.

Hoping tomorrow will bring something, though I'm not expecting anything on last nights scale.

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12 minutes ago, TJS1998Tom said:

No cape with the 18z at Midnight Sunday into Monday with the 18z but there's a bit later on at around 6pm Monday

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That is surface based cape, mid level cape is what we are looking at for tomorrow night as if any storms do occur will be elevated rather than surface based!

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1 minute ago, tomjwlx said:

That is surface based cape, mid level cape is what we are looking at for tomorrow night as if any storms do occur will be elevated rather than surface based!

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Ah right, have you got a link to those charts?

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