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Happens twice every year (March and September) near where I live, the sunsets between two trees. These two sunsets, 11 1/2 years apart March 2009 Last evening

Well guess what LG, some of us here suffer from SAD so I can't tell you how much that can affect your mood and how much better daylight can make you feel. Need I remind you how much you complain about

You think? We get these same stories and debates every single year but nothing ever changes.   Long live GMT!

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14 hours ago, Summer Sun said:

Clear afternoon today and it was still light at 16:30 moving very much in the right direction now

Just over 9 weeks until BST

:good:

I'm starting to notice the difference,  even on days where there is thick cloud around sunset. Still a long way to go though.

Roll on Spring is all I say.

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We've gained 70 minutes of daylight since the winter solstice now, about 50 minutes of that in the evenings. 

It really starts to race ahead now with another 2 hours of daylight to come by the end of February with a bigger proportion of that coming in the mornings (at least relative to our 24 hour clock).

Can't wait.

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i have to honestly say this is the first year i am desperate for the lighter mornings to come...really am fed up with the dark mornings here now...long wait though sun rise is still 8.35 am and will be the beginning of May until it is truly light when i get up for work.

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EU Politicians Set To Vote On Whether To Scrap Daylight Saving Time the UK can hold off a change until March 2019 but could be forced to scrap BST from March 2019 meaning 1 less hour of daylight in the evenings during summer

 

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Brussels in new bid to move Britain to 'Berlin time': EU politicians to vote on whether to end ritual of moving clocks forward by an hour in March and back again in October

  • EU politicians will this week vote on whether to scrap British Summer Time
  • ‘Berlin Time’ could theoretically be imposed on the UK during Brexit discussions
  • The practice of changing the clocks has already been ditched in some countries 

EU politicians will this week vote on whether to scrap British Summer Time – in a move which could remain in effect even after Brexit. The proposed rule change would end the ritual of moving clocks forward by an hour in March and back again in October – which happens all over Europe on the same day. It is being debated by MEPs after an ‘impact assessment’ indicated ‘the existence of negative effects on human health, agriculture and road traffic safety’.

Although the Government would be able to block the move through the European Council up until the moment of Brexit in March 2019, ‘Berlin Time’ could theoretically be imposed on the UK during the following transition period if the negotiated terms for that period oblige us to accept Brussels rules with no power to veto. And even post-transition, it would leave the UK having to decide whether to scrap the biannual clock change anyway – in order to keep the same hour’s time difference with the rest of Europe – in effect, Greenwich Mean Time all year round.

Otherwise, for six months each year, London would find itself on the same time zone as Berlin.

The practice of changing the clocks has already been ditched in some countries, including Iceland, Belarus and Turkey. Another option being discussed to retain long summer evenings is to move to EU Summertime – GMT plus two hours – all year round.

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5349049/Brussels-new-bid-Britain-Berlin-time.html?ito=social-facebook

 

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2 hours ago, Summer Sun said:

EU Politicians Set To Vote On Whether To Scrap Daylight Saving Time the UK can hold off a change until March 2019 but could be forced to scrap BST from March 2019 meaning 1 less hour of daylight in the evenings during summer

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5349049/Brussels-new-bid-Britain-Berlin-time.html?ito=social-facebook

 

There appears to be the odd "inacurracy" in the article. Standard DM stuff.

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The European Parliament today voted in favour of retaining the same time all-year round.

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Changing the clocks back and forward every year could soon end, as MEPs voted to abolish the practice. Earlier, the European Parliament voted 384 to 153 in favour of scrapping daylight savings time. The vote puts pressure on the European Commission to make a decision on the clock change. MEPs are calling for an end to the EU rule, as studies show the time change can negatively impact people's health.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/european-parliament-pass-vote-scrap-11993227

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28 minutes ago, Mokidugway said:

As were leaving who cares what Johnny Foreigner does or wants :rofl:

Whatever change they decide (if they do) it will be imposed on the UK during from 2019 until the end of the transition

If we go to winter time all year round northern England would see day break in late spring and early summer starting around 3am

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2 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

Whatever change they decide (if they do) it will be imposed on the UK during from 2019 until the end of the transition

If we go to winter time all year round northern England would see day break in late spring and early summer starting around 3am

Reading the article, it isn't imposing anything. It just means that countries will no longer be bound to change the clocks at the same time as everyone else.

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The report said: "Beyond considerations on the effects, repeal of the Summer Time Directive would not automatically abolish summer time across the EU.

"It would just end EU-wide harmonisation and bring the issue of summer time back into the competence of the member states.

"Member states would be free to decide about their individual time regimes: they might opt to retain summer time (at the current or a modified DST schedule) or to end summer time.

Even if we were still in the EU when this comes into effect, we could opt to keep our current system no problem.

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6 minutes ago, Nick L said:

Reading the article, it isn't imposing anything. It just means that countries will no longer be bound to change the clocks at the same time as everyone else.

Even if we were still in the EU when this comes into effect, we could opt to keep our current system no problem.

I'd much rather we kept the longer evening tbh lots of places benefit from that extra hour on a nice evening in summer beer gardens for one

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

I'd much rather we kept the longer evening tbh lots of places benefit from that extra hour on a nice evening in summer beer gardens for one

 

 

As I need to be in bed by 10 when I've got a day shift the next day, lighter evenings can do one!

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I doubt the government will mess around with the time, mornings in Scotland and N England would be awful in the depths of winter, more accidents on the roads far more likely, its colder just after dawn as well, black ice no-one can see until 9.30am.. 

Back to the here and now, certainly noticing the increasing levels of daylight, yesterday was light at 7.30am. However, today was grey and dismal at the same time, never getting light until 8am, and an early descent into dusk around 5pm, sunshine and clear skies really do start to make a difference. By the end of Feb, on such days, it is light still just after 6pm. Looking forward to travelling back from work in the light, and perhaps with lots of snowy scenes to look at as well..

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Interesting to see France MEP Karima Delli saying the switch to summer time causes more accidents

Road safety campaign groups here say the complete opposite in that it is the change to winter time which causes more accidents

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42997518

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4 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

Interesting to see France MEP Karima Delli saying the switch to summer time causes more accidents

Road safety campaign groups here stay the complete opposite in that it is the change to winter time which causes more accidents

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42997518

Yeah, based on 50 year old data that has hardly any relevance today! I'm not sure parents would be happy with their kids going to school in the dark.

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I wish this stupid discussion surrounding clocks and time zones would stop cropping up every single year. People need to accept that it isn't going to change.

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