Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change

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Are they all wearing thick glasses to make us think they are scientists I wonder? 

[Methuselah]

Just when you think your internal sceptic might withering away, along comes Sssssh, You Know Who: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/31/prince-charles-blames-syria-civil-war-on-global-warming/

[UV-RAY]

Just when you think your internal sceptic might withering away, along comes Sssssh, You Know Who: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/31/prince-charles-blames-syria-civil-war-on-global-warming/

Lol, even GW wouldn't go as far as that. Maybe it's the climate that makes the average British 17-25 year old male such a knuckledragger on a weekend night out, just a thought.

[mikeworst]

His tomatoes must be Trifids by now, or has he stopped talking to them?

[jonboy]

Just when you think your internal sceptic might withering away, along comes Sssssh, You Know Who: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/31/prince-charles-blames-syria-civil-war-on-global-warming/

 

Other than the quoted linkage to global warming he does actually make some very valid points in regard to some of the underlying causes to the conflict and the impact that drought in the region has created. There is no doubt that different regions suffer drought at different times we need to understand so much better how this occurs and what drives these changes if we are to prevent conflict as a result of these changes.

He also makes valid points about environmental stewardship so we shouldn't dismiss what he says out of hand.

[stewfox]

I see the 'Polluters talk' we 'Green Groups' walk

 

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/21/mass-walk-out-un-climate-talks-warsaw

 

 

rich and poor countries at logger heads over compensation and money is probably a main driver ie 'who pays'

Edited November 22, 2013 by stewfox

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And another article presenting the Philipines cyclone as a direct result of CO2/warming.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/16/climate-change-pledges-rich-nations

No need to let facts stand in the way.

[stewfox]

And another article presenting the Philipines cyclone as a direct result of CO2/warming.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/16/climate-change-pledges-rich-nations

No need to let facts stand in the way.

 

I can understand how the poorer countries could be annoyed by richer countries reneging on tax breaks/ financial inducements. This hinders the development of the poorer nations with regards to developing their own technology and yet staying within set Carbon Omissions figures set down.

 

However given the media hype over ‘Australia bakes’ this last year I find it very interesting that the  Australian government goes down a reason economic argument regarding not complying.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21072347

 

Economic costs put it into a better perspective

 

http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/1857/address-to-the-revolt-against-the-carbon-tax

 

 

"""""""Australia, which is not sending a minister to this weekend's talks, signalled it may weaken its targets and is repealing domestic carbon laws following the election of a conservative government.

Edited November 22, 2013 by stewfox

[Methuselah]

And another article presenting the Philipines cyclone as a direct result of CO2/warming.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/16/climate-change-pledges-rich-nations

No need to let facts stand in the way.

As one sceptic to another - where in that article is Typhoon Haiyan directly attributed to CO₂?

[stewfox]

As one sceptic to another - where in that article is Typhoon Haiyan directly attributed to CO₂?

 

I thought CO2/Warming is climate change ? As the report mentions

 

""""""there was growing evidence of a link between manmade climate change and disasters such as Typhoon Haiyan, will inevitably be used to pressure others to offer similar assurance""""

[stewfox]

If you take less action does shouting louder work ?

 

With Canada , Australia and others looking at Carbon targets

 

http://news.mongabay.com/2013/1114-hance-australia-climate-shift.html

 

Its this 'end of the World' comments that has been put out by the IPCC and the like really useful ?

 

"""""""""In September, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted global surface temperatures could climb on average by as much as 4.8C this century - a recipe for catastrophic heatwaves, floods, droughts and sea-level rise"""""".

 

 

http://www.news.com.au/world/un-head-ban-ki-moon-says-typhoon-haiyan-due-to-climate-change/story-fndir2ev-1226761840736

 

Shouldn't there be some balance ?

 

20 years of doom and gloom hasnt worked why dont they change the record.

 

 

Edited November 23, 2013 by stewfox

[keithlucky]

Extract from German translation showing The Alps getting colder over the last 20 to 30yrs. places have seen “massive coolingâ€We are obviously very far away from milder winters. The trend actually is moving in the opposite direction! A few years ago climatologists advised winter sports locations in the Alps to reduce their investments in winter sports facilities – because of the ever increasing mean temperatures, they soon would not be worth it. So we ask ourselves, which increasing temperatures are the ladies and gentlemen even talking about?â€

According to an expert review conducted by the Zentralanstalt für Meteorologie und Geodynamik (ZAMG), the Austrian state weather service, using weather data from the last 20 years or more: “Winters there indeed are shown to have gotten colder over the last 20 years, and in some places quite massively. The last two winters at Kitzbühel were in fact the coldest of the last 20 years.â€

 

Jung then writes that also four other high elevation stations in the Alps were assessed: Zugspitze in Germany, Schmittenhöhe in Austria, Sonnblick in Austria and Säntis in Switzerland. Result:

Jung writes that data from extra long datasets from 20 to 30 years were examined, “just like climatologists always insist.â€Jung then informs readers that he asked the Austrian meteorological experts on site what they thought of the results. According to Jung, the reaction was either dead silence induced by shock, or attempts to downplay the results. Had the data shown warming instead, then of course we would be hearing just the opposite of silence and downplaying…we’d be hearing the hysterical screams of bloody climate murder!-They all yielded the same amazing result: Winters in the Alps over the last decades have become significantly colder, the data show.â€

[stewfox]

They all yielded the same amazing result: Winters in the Alps over the last decades have become significantly colder, the data show.â€

 

10 years ago in 2003 there were talks of death spirals on the European Ski resorts and Scotland.

 

http://www.responsibletravel.com/copy/melting-away

 

Pleasing to see in 2013 a early start to the Scottish ski season

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-24879707

 

and of course across most of Europe a very early start due heavy snows and very cold weather

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2510651/Europe-snow-report-Ski-resorts-open-early-celebrate-heavy-snowfall-Alps.html

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More reports proclaiming imminent disaster for Alpine resorts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/1448390/Global-warming-could-close-half-of-Alpine-ski-resorts-by-2050.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/global-warming-threatens-famous-alps-resorts-for-many-alpine-ski-areas-nordic-walking-may-be-the-sport-of-the-future-a-342280.html

Don't forget warming only ever causes bad things like closing winter sports, flooding coastal resorts and causing typhoons in faraway places.
Pretty flowers and butterflies will die out due to drought and heat - but yucky things like rats and jellyfish will thrive unchecked.

You see really it's all about demonstrating how evil and greedy man can be, and come the reckoning of judgement day the punishment will be metered out.
It's a rehash of the Puritan ethos come back to haunt us - with a pseudo-sciencentist to back them up at every turn 

[Pennine Ten Foot Drifts]

Or maybe it just means that we are still struggling to understand the impact of an overall increasing global temperature at a local level ?

[UV-RAY]

Or maybe it just means that we are still struggling to understand the impact of an overall increasing global temperature at a local level ?

Or maybe we've way overestimated them, which is looking the form horse at this moment in time.

[keithlucky]

Amazing that record global ice gains, ski resorts opening early world wide all due to global warming ,Record amounts of snow in Northern Hemisphere over the last 3 winters all due to global warming!God help us all if we have global cooling (which there"s definite signs of cooling taking place) .

[stewfox]

Amazing that record global ice gains, ski resorts opening early world wide all due to global warming ,Record amounts of snow in Northern Hemisphere over the last 3 winters all due to global warming!God help us all if we have global cooling (which there"s definite signs of cooling taking place) .

 

I think a lot of the early prophecies posted 10 + years ago for this period and up to around 2015  can be written off now  as 'ain't going to happen'

 

The next common dates appear to be 2030s. 2050s and 2100. Time will tell on those

[UV-RAY]

Over on t'other thread Mr Misleader himself now implies global temps  themselves aren't that important, well he would wouldn't he, just like when they wasn't that important when they was rising. This lot don't just want to  move the goalpost, they want to reinvent the whole set of rules for the game.

[UV-RAY]

http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/76448-scepticism-of-man-made-climate-change/page-41#entry2845205

 

I see you have become one of Mr Watts band of acolytes. It's a pity you don't abandon the boring invective and direct your thoughts to some constructive scientific reasoning for a change. Perhaps that's too much to ask as that's probably a concept you are not familiar with.

Lol, you mean like how you copy and paste link after link of the same old, same old. I've given plenty of scientific reasoning which I managed to do all by myself, but  some here have difficulty doing this as they like to be spoon fed theirs.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Sceptical Inquirer

[UV-RAY]

What an amazing mind and ego you have. You manage to delve into the complexity of climate change without the need to read scientific papers from scientists of various disciplines who might, just might, know more about the subject than you do. I assume this explains the invisible links as they are only connected to your ego brain. Perhaps an example of your scientific reasoning.

Not at all, I just don't believe in all those fables I keep reading. As for my scientific reasoning may I suggest you read some of postings from previous threads. As for my comment on your links that you post, for amusement value I rate them highly but for factual evidence and scientific reasoning they are the standard fayre of the spoon fed it must be right coz a scientists says so brigade.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Sceptical Inquirer

[Snowyowl9]

Just read this...

The Mount Pinatubo eruption, which climaxed with nine hours of eruption on June 15, 1991. On June 15, millions of tons of sulfur dioxide were discharged into the atmosphere, resulting in a decrease in the temperature worldwide over the next few years.

[No! The cooling effect of gases, ash and particulate matter in the atmosphere is irrelevant when considering the effects of underwater volcanoes erupting and heating up the oceans which is arguably the biggest cause of so-called global warming. After all, far more of the Earth's surface is underwater than above it.].

Interesting...

[keithlucky]

Trouble is some folk just like to argue a good idea by forum team to have separate threads ,some like to throw insults a good idea for some people  to look in a mirror so they can have someone to argue with.Nice video to watch

Edited November 25, 2013 by keithlucky

[Snowyowl9]

 According to the Smithsonian Institute there are some 1511 active volcanoes on the planet. Active is defined as a volcano that has erupted at some point during the last 10,000 years [Query whether this figure includes ALL of the Volcanoes on the Ocean and Sea floors around the world!].

 

[Methuselah]

 According to the Smithsonian Institute there are some 1511 active volcanoes on the planet. Active is defined as a volcano that has erupted at some point during the last 10,000 years [Query whether this figure includes ALL of the Volcanoes on the Ocean and Sea floors around the world!].

 

So what does that have to do with man-made CO₂?