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The old favorite John Kettley on the radio today to talk about Alpine snow ,and they prompted him for a xmas forecast he said,the charts ATM are all over place one day showing a Notherly for X mas next day ,a westerly ,he favored ,snow for some over xmas in UK.

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On Sunday we got

 

Published: 13:15, Sun, December 14, 2014

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/546865/Christmas-White-UK-Weather-Forecast-Temperatures-Four-Weeks-15C-Siberian-Winds-Polar

 

Exacta weather forecaster James Madden told The Sun a "colossal" area of cold water will affect the Gulf Stream and leave Britain exposed to freezing Siberian winds.

Today we have

 

 

Published: 09:18, Tue, December 16, 2014

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/547160/UK-weather-Britain-winter-spring-temperatureshttp://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/547160/UK-weather-Britain-winter-spring-temperatures

James Madden, forecaster for Exacta Weather, said: “A slightly milder blip will develop around the middle part of the week for a number of days, and this could see temperatures returning to double figures in parts of the south.

“However, this will be very short-lived, and by the end of the week we are likely to see much colder conditions filtering in across many parts of the country once again.

“These colder conditions will also be accompanied by some further snow/wintry showers in parts of the north to begin with, although there is the potential for these to become more widespread across other parts of the country as we progress towards the end of the week.

“On current indications, there is an increased likelihood of an official white Christmas occurring this year is some places, or at the very least there will be some lying snow on the ground in places.â€

Not sure Mr Madden is putting the same emphasis on things as he was less than two days earlier.....and what the hell is he doing talking to the Sun!!!!   Surely himself and the Express go together like cowdung and bullsh..... Edited by Timmytour
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just been watching britains wildest weather on ch4, it was more like a propaganda show for global warming and climate change, and the seas 4c warmer  than normal? really , what tosh  or did they mean degrees F 

It started ok but it got more and more......"warm" as time went on! The seas were almost 4'c warmer than normal for a few weeks (mainly the English Channel) but in 2010 they were around 4'c colder than normal.

It annoyed me because they didn't say that they were briefly 4'c warmer and then slowly slipped closer to average (although 1-2'c above still for a time).

Like a lot of weather and climate related programs on tv now they neglect to show the "other side' and that things are quite well balanced out ie. if somewhere is warmer than average, another place is colder than average etc, and this is what peees me off :nonono:

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Well it was a program about UK weather I guess, and we are experiencing the warmest year out of the past 350 years for the third time in less than a decade..

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Well it was a program about UK weather I guess, and we are experiencing the warmest year out of the past 350 years for the third time in less than a decade..

Yes, we haven't experienced anything like this since the MWP.

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Well it was a program about UK weather I guess, and we are experiencing the warmest year out of the past 350 years for the third time in less than a decade..

Of course we got warm records broken, now there are no auxiliary weather stations that are manually operated, they can say what they like as few people will see what information has been collected. Anyone can make numbers say what they want them to say.

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I for one am glad we had the same technology 350 years ago to measure temperature and to collect all the data if not the whole global warming thing would be open to scepticism

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I'll have you not denigrate the work of the great Gordon Manley :)

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Away from Mad forecasts

 

there was a piece on Radio 4 this morning about this

How scientists studying golden winged warblers in the US noticed they left their breeding ground well before a major storm hit and then returned when the coast was clear. Will storm chasers just have to go the opposite way to a GW warbler?

https://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2014/12/18/infrasound-as-early-storm-warning-for-birds/

 

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/18/birds-storm-infrasound-warblers

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Heard that Jo fascinating, natures early warning system :)

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I'll have you not denigrate the work of the great Gordon Manley :)

nobody's doubting gordon manleys work probably knew more about the weather than everyone in the netweather community put together BUT i still believe if we had the same technology back then as we have now there wouldn't be as much emphasis put on global warming as there is just now

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nobody's doubting gordon manleys work probably knew more about the weather than everyone in the netweather community put together BUT i still believe if we had the same technology back then as we have now there wouldn't be as much emphasis put on global warming as there is just now

The CET series is not the be all end all of the AGW theory!

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No-Snow Area: Alpine Slopes 'Worst For 25 Years'

 

A lack of snow in the Alps has left some ski resorts facing the worst conditions seen in the past quarter century, a leading industry representative has said. French Mountains, which promotes mountain tourism in France, this week said only 40 of some 200 skiing stations were open across the country. The hardest-hit area has been the northern Alps - home to popular resorts including Val Thorens, Courchevel and Meribel - where resorts have been forced to keep pistes closed and even ration ski passes. In the Trois Vallees - the largest ski area in the world - only around a third of the 3,700 miles (6,000km) of runs have been opened to skiers

 

Resort webcams show skiers trying to make the best of poor conditions, making their way down slopes that have almost more patches of green than white. Pierre Lestas, president of Domaines Skiables de France, the industry body for ski resort operators, told French news network BFMTV: "The situation is difficult in Haute-Savoie. We haven't seen this since 1988-89." French weather forecasters say such light snowfall is seen only once every five to 10 years, with the last comparable season coming in 2006. The lack of snow has been compounded by unseasonably warm temperatures preventing the use of artificial snow cannons, which are only effective at -2C or lower. The conditions could result in a 20%-30% drop in revenues for ski resorts over the Christmas period, Mr Lestas told BFMTV.

 

One resort in the region that has been lucky enough to have snow is imposing quotas this weekend to prevent chaos at its ski lifts. "Conditions are exceptional. As we are nearly the only station open in the Haute-Savoie region, we are expecting serious crowds," said Stephane Lerendu, director of the tourism office at the Avoriaz ski station. Located at an altitude of 1,800m (6,000ft), Avoriaz has been able to open most of its pistes, but the regional snow drought could lead to more than the resort's capacity of 12,000 skiers hitting the slopes. Holidaymakers will be issued with priority ski passes, while a quota will apply to everyone else until neighbouring areas have enough snow to open. Austria and Switzerland, which along with France are home to some of Europe's most coveted ski slopes, are also waiting anxiously for snow as the key Christmas holiday season arrives.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1395277/no-snow-area-alpine-slopes-worst-for-25-years

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nobody's doubting gordon manleys work probably knew more about the weather than everyone in the netweather community put together BUT i still believe if we had the same technology back then as we have now there wouldn't be as much emphasis put on global warming as there is just now

What an odd thing to say...why don't we still hast frost fairs on the Thames?

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What an odd thing to say...why don't we still hast frost fairs on the Thames?

maybe we are in a warmer period of NATURAL CLIMATE CHANGE can anyone say for sure the thames will never freeze over again

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maybe we are in a warmer period of NATURAL CLIMATE CHANGE can anyone say for sure the thames will never freeze over again

I predict it certainly will in the next glacial phase sometime in the next 10000 years!

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Seeing as the bridges on the Thames no longer provide the type of blockage to river flow that they used too ( when they had buildings on top of them!) I'd suggest that the faster passage of the waters has more to do with reluctance to freeze than the temps? Compare ponds to free flowing water on a sub zero run of days and see which has ice on it by the end of the period.

 

Hebden water is a fast flowing tributary to the Calder but it saw significant freeze over 2010/11.

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BBC Weather bloopers from 2014

 

Did I see our own Jo, presenting her vocal skills in that?

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Did I see our own Jo, presenting her vocal skills in that?

Nina Ridge

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No-Snow Area: Alpine Slopes 'Worst For 25 Years'

 

A lack of snow in the Alps has left some ski resorts facing the worst conditions seen in the past quarter century, a leading industry representative has said. French Mountains, which promotes mountain tourism in France, this week said only 40 of some 200 skiing stations were open across the country. The hardest-hit area has been the northern Alps - home to popular resorts including Val Thorens, Courchevel and Meribel - where resorts have been forced to keep pistes closed and even ration ski passes. In the Trois Vallees - the largest ski area in the world - only around a third of the 3,700 miles (6,000km) of runs have been opened to skiers

 

Resort webcams show skiers trying to make the best of poor conditions, making their way down slopes that have almost more patches of green than white. Pierre Lestas, president of Domaines Skiables de France, the industry body for ski resort operators, told French news network BFMTV: "The situation is difficult in Haute-Savoie. We haven't seen this since 1988-89." French weather forecasters say such light snowfall is seen only once every five to 10 years, with the last comparable season coming in 2006. The lack of snow has been compounded by unseasonably warm temperatures preventing the use of artificial snow cannons, which are only effective at -2C or lower. The conditions could result in a 20%-30% drop in revenues for ski resorts over the Christmas period, Mr Lestas told BFMTV.

 

One resort in the region that has been lucky enough to have snow is imposing quotas this weekend to prevent chaos at its ski lifts. "Conditions are exceptional. As we are nearly the only station open in the Haute-Savoie region, we are expecting serious crowds," said Stephane Lerendu, director of the tourism office at the Avoriaz ski station. Located at an altitude of 1,800m (6,000ft), Avoriaz has been able to open most of its pistes, but the regional snow drought could lead to more than the resort's capacity of 12,000 skiers hitting the slopes. Holidaymakers will be issued with priority ski passes, while a quota will apply to everyone else until neighbouring areas have enough snow to open. Austria and Switzerland, which along with France are home to some of Europe's most coveted ski slopes, are also waiting anxiously for snow as the key Christmas holiday season arrives.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1395277/no-snow-area-alpine-slopes-worst-for-25-years

 

This has already been covered in more depth in the Alps thread, I don't think the main problem has been the lack of snow falling per se, there has been a far amount of snow so far  in the past few weeks even some to lower levels, this main issue has been the lack of retention of this snow due to the very mild weather even to some higher resorts.

 

https://forum.netweather.tv/topic/81729-the-alps-snow-thread-season-20142015/page-6

 

http://www.avoriaz.com/en/discovering/interactive-tour/pictures-videos-and-webcam?tab=webcam

 

As you can see a number of times the fresh snow has thawed.

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I remember a time before big brother and political correctness when MetO/BBC forecasts would be something worth viewing and I would look forward to them especially if snow was in the air, but these days?

They are delivered by in a montone drone with all the gusto and enthusiasm of an android in need of an oil change.

 

Makes me want to weep when the MetO and BBC hide anyone with a hint of personality in the backrooms. No room for individualsm in the New collective you know.

The BBC manage to be obnoxious and bland at the same time. Criminal!

So bad has TV become I have actually got rid of mine so I don't have to pay my license fee to these soul sucking ghouls.

 

Bah humbug!

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Totally agree Mucka!! - I look at the regional forecasts just the same 'the word go' or 'on offer' are cringe worthy phrases which keep coming up day after day from women with silly smiles on their faces throughout. Ian MacCaskill, John Kettley, Bacon and Fish unfortunately have long gone only to be replaced by nobodies...perhaps only Tomasz (middle finger) Schafemaker puts a bit of 'personality' into his forecasts.

 

BBC unfortunately has gone down the pan the last 10 years or so (certainly since my 2nd series didn't come about).

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James Madden is at it again! - An extract taken from the Echo, a Liverpool newspaper.

 

I am more inclined to go with the forecasts which indicate a winter a little colder than what we have been used to just lately with alternating cold with some snow and mild spells, in fact more like the average winter I grew up with.

 

I suggest that James examines the records more closely to find out exactly what the winter of '62/63' was really like.

 

 

Britain could soon be shivering in a repeat of the 1963 Big Freeze - the worst winter for more than 200 years.

One weather expert has warned Britain will be hit by an Arctic blast which is set to arrive over New Year and hang around for at least a month.

Some areas could be blanketed by up to five feet of snow with daytime temperatures hovering around zero and overnight lows down to a bone-numbing -15C (5F).

Forecaster James Madden believes the white-out will rival the famous winter of 1963 when the sea froze in Kent and a car was driven across the River Thames in Oxford.

He fears a “colossal†area of much colder than average surface water in the Mid Atlantic will affect the Gulf Stream and leave Britain exposed to a prolonged Siberian blast from northerly winds.

James said: “ This is of quite some significance as the Gulf Stream effectively acts as a heat machine for our shores, in particular, during our winter months.

“Without the influence of this vital heat source, we can expect a horrific winter to develop with frequent blizzards/strong winds and extremely cold conditions across many parts of the country.

“During the winter period of 1962/63 the famous big freeze took a hold of the country from around Christmas until the spring of the following year because of a similar situation.

“Several feet of snow fell in parts of southern England, temperatures dropped to below -20C (-4F) in places, and snow remained on the ground for months on end.

“We could be looking at a very similar time-frame and scale of events this time around.

“I don’t like saying this but the factors are there for an extremely cold spell in January which will possibly extend into February."

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