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  • Location: Redbourn,Herts AL3. 122M ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Feb 2018 Easterly
  • Location: Redbourn,Herts AL3. 122M ASL

    Okay, this probably sounds dumb. Could you stop the reactor by dropping a large bomb on it?

    What would be more scary than this? The other four reactors next to it, popping one by one.

    No Disrespect but i think Japan Has had enough of large bombs like the 2 the Americans Dropped in the past. If you dropped a bomb on that Nuclear Plant GOODBYE JAPAN, and as for a TSUNAMI well The One that just hit Japan would look like a ripple on a pond.

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  • Location: South Woodham Ferrers, height 15 metres
  • Location: South Woodham Ferrers, height 15 metres

    Was the Earthquake triggered by HAARP (timed with Supermoon and solar flare - Piers Corbyn reckons so, that is the moon and solar, not the HAARP)?

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  • Location: Tornado Alley, west London
  • Location: Tornado Alley, west London

    Was the Earthquake triggered by HAARP(timed with Supermoon and solar flare - Piers Corbyn reckons so)?

    No, no and thrice no (and he would, wouldn't he).

    Far stronger solar flares have not occurred at the same time (more or less) as earthquakes in such a pattern as to make any link provable (e.g. was there a major earthquake around the time of the flare in March 1989 that blacked out much of eastern Canada and the north-eastern US?). The difference between the pull of gravity between the Earth and Moon next week because of the closer than normal "supermoon" (what idiot came up with that term?) is insignificant compared to the total gravitational pull. Tectonic activity on the Earth is quite sufficient to account for whatever earthquakes we have without nonsense self-publicising pseudo-science.

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  • Location: Aldborough, North Norfolk
  • Location: Aldborough, North Norfolk

    No, no and thrice no (and he would, wouldn't he).

    Far stronger solar flares have not occurred at the same time (more or less) as earthquakes in such a pattern as to make any link provable (e.g. was there a major earthquake around the time of the flare in March 1989 that blacked out much of eastern Canada and the north-eastern US?). The difference between the pull of gravity between the Earth and Moon next week because of the closer than normal "supermoon" (what idiot came up with that term?) is insignificant compared to the total gravitational pull. Tectonic activity on the Earth is quite sufficient to account for whatever earthquakes we have without nonsense self-publicising pseudo-science.

    Thank goodness for a voice of sanity.

    Couldn't agree more

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  • Location: Louth, Lincolnshire
  • Weather Preferences: Misty Autumn days and foggy nights
  • Location: Louth, Lincolnshire

    No Disrespect but i think Japan Has had enough of large bombs like the 2 the Americans Dropped in the past. If you dropped a bomb on that Nuclear Plant GOODBYE JAPAN, and as for a TSUNAMI well The One that just hit Japan would look like a ripple on a pond.

    Even if you flattened the reactor, and it suffered a complete meltdown, the design of the Fukushima reactor is such that the implications would be less severe than that of Chernobyl, and people forget that the Soviets and later Ukraine continued to operate the other reactors at Chernobyl until 2000. It doesn't use a carbon-based containment system, for a start (that was a major contributor to the scale and severity of the contamination at Chernobyl) - so whatever happens there wouldn't be 'The End of Japan', even if the core suffers a catastrophic uncontrolled reaction.

    That's not to say that it wouldn't be an absolutely appalling catastrophe, of course it would. Hopefully, it won't come to that.

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  • Location: Milton Keynes MK
  • Weather Preferences: anything extreme or intense !
  • Location: Milton Keynes MK

    TOKYO (Reuters) - The number of individuals exposed to radiation from the quake-hit Fukushima nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan could reach as high as 160, an official from the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Acency has said.

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    Nine individuals had already shown possible exposure to radiation from the plant, based on information from tests by municipal authorities and other sources, and estimates from the authorities suggested the figure could rise as high as 70 to 160, the official from the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told a news conference.

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  • Location: South Shields Tyne & Wear half mile from the coast.
  • Location: South Shields Tyne & Wear half mile from the coast.

    A visual representation of how the waves travelled across the Pacific Ocean.

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  • Location: South Woodham Ferrers, height 15 metres
  • Location: South Woodham Ferrers, height 15 metres

    No, no and thrice no (and he would, wouldn't he).

    Far stronger solar flares have not occurred at the same time (more or less) as earthquakes in such a pattern as to make any link provable (e.g. was there a major earthquake around the time of the flare in March 1989 that blacked out much of eastern Canada and the north-eastern US?). The difference between the pull of gravity between the Earth and Moon next week because of the closer than normal "supermoon" (what idiot came up with that term?) is insignificant compared to the total gravitational pull. Tectonic activity on the Earth is quite sufficient to account for whatever earthquakes we have without nonsense self-publicising pseudo-science.

    Lunar and solar effects do not preclude plate tectonics. Nobody's claiming that. What is claimed is there is some affect, that plate tectonic tipping points could be "tipped" by external triggers, and that this is shown in the statistics (lunar and solar).

    An analogy could be someone shouting and causing an avalanche. The person who shouted didn't put the snow there and make it likely to fall, but the act of shouting was the trigger of the avalanche event.

    BTW - as per my edit, Piers Corbyn didn't say anything about HAARP.

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  • Location: Milton Keynes MK
  • Weather Preferences: anything extreme or intense !
  • Location: Milton Keynes MK

    Was the Earthquake triggered by HAARP (timed with Supermoon and solar flare - Piers Corbyn reckons so, that is the moon and solar, not the HAARP)?

    Japan earthquake not connected to supermoon, says NASA

    NASA has rubbished claims the earthquake that devastated Japan was caused by the supermoon.

    Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/857913-japan-earthquake-not-connected-to-supermoon-says-nasa#ixzz1GQhjyWmD

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  • Location: Tornado Alley, west London
  • Location: Tornado Alley, west London

    Lunar and solar effects do not preclude plate tectonics. Nobody's claiming that. What is claimed is there is some affect, that plate tectonic tipping points could be "tipped" by external triggers, and that this is shown in the statistics (lunar and solar).

    An analogy could be someone shouting and causing an avalanche. The person who shouted didn't put the snow there and make it likely to fall, but the act of shouting was the trigger of the avalanche event.

    BTW - as per my edit, Piers Corbyn didn't say anything about HAARP.

    Hmmph - but from what I've seen, people with a lunar/solar agenda are ignoring normal activity levels and going for "We're doomed!"

    There is no statistical evidence of any effect (or affect as you have it) of any lunar distance/solar activity on seismic activity on Earth.

    Show me concrete long-term, statistical, scientifically reviewed evidence of a relationship between them and I'll eat my words. Until then I'll maintain that it's a load of complete garbage.

    As HAARP has been posted on here with no explanation of what it stands for, who knows? I made no comment about whether Catweazle commented on it or not.

    I maintain that solar flares and the statistically eeentsy weeny difference in the difference of the distance of the Moon and Earth will have no effect on tectonic activity.

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  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire

    "There is a possibility, we see the possibility of a meltdown," said Toshihiro Bannai, director of the international affairs office of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety, in a telephone interview with CNN from the agency's Tokyo headquarters. "At this point, we have still not confirmed that there is an actual meltdown, but there is a possibility."

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Okay what we we're seeing is a lack of planning. Worst case scenario planning which simply isn't up to the task. Most will be already dead as far as recovery is concerned. The nuclear side of things is a joke.

    I've got a old video which says Japan plays at earthquakes. Sadly I cant find it.

    Another reactor reactor 3 is experiencing problems. This looks even more serious than the other reactor due to the fuel used. Either way shows that nuclear is unsafe and should only be used as a last resort. The true facts whats happened and the amount of radiation leaked won't come out well after the event.

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  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)
  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)

    Was the Earthquake triggered by HAARP (timed with Supermoon and solar flare - Piers Corbyn reckons so, that is the moon and solar, not the HAARP)?

    There's your answer then......

    Latest round up:

    Japan continued to grapple Sunday with widespread damage from its biggest recorded earthquake and massive tsunami that hit northeastern and eastern regions two days ago, with the number of reported victims topping 2,000 and a crisis escalating at one of two affected nuclear plants.

    The magnitude of the devastating quake was revised upward the same day from 8.8 to 9.0, making it one of the largest in history, the Japan Meteorological Agency said.

    The number of people who have died or remained unaccounted for exceeds 2,000, police said, while the official death toll topped 800. In Fukushima Prefecture alone, 1,167 people were unaccounted for and well over 600 bodies have been found in Miyagi and Iwate prefectures on the Pacific coast.

    Local governments have been unable to contact tens of thousands of people, and at least 20,820 buildings have been fully or partially damaged in quake-hit areas, while more than 300,000 people have been evacuated in six prefectures, according to local and central government tallies. Some 180,000 people began to evacuate within a 20-kilometer radius from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant a day after one of its reactors partially melted Saturday, while 19 people are known to have been exposed to radiation near the plant, the local government said.

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. notified the government's nuclear safety agency in the morning that the radiation level at the plant exceeded the legal limit, after the sixth reactor at its two Fukushima plants was earlier in the day reported to have lost its cooling functions. Prime Minister Naoto Kan issued an instruction to boost the number of Self-Defense Forces personnel sent to quake-hit areas to 100,000, one of the largest ever for an SDF operation, Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa said. ''I ask for utmost efforts to save the lives of as many people as possible,'' Kan said at a morning meeting of the government's emergency disaster headquarters. ''We will put all-out efforts into rescuing people who have been isolated.''

    The SDF had dispatched 65,000 personnel by Saturday night, but will increase the number to 100,000 in one or two days, Kitazawa told reporters. In Miyagi, about 200 more bodies were found in the city of Higashimatsushima, the National Police Agency said. About 4,400 people remained isolated as of Saturday night in schools, hospitals and inns in the tsunami-swamped town of Onagawa and neighboring Ishinomaki city, as well as at the Onagawa nuclear plant where they had been evacuated to, Miyagi officials said.

    In Minamisanriku, about 10,000 people, over half the town's population, remain unaccounted for. In Iwate Prefecture, north of Miyagi, many bodies were found Sunday morning under the rubble in Rikuzentakata. About 5,000 houses in the city had been submerged by the quake-triggered tsunami, and the city office has confirmed that only 5,900 of its population of about 23,000 had taken shelter.

    It also has been unable to communicate with the mayor and officials in Otsuchi after the town office was swept away by a tsunami while the mayor and town officials were apparently inside the building. A nursing home accommodating 30 elderly people was also washed away in Ofunato city. The Fukushima prefectural government said it was still unable to contact 1,167 residents, including 918 in the town of Namie, boosting the tally of those unaccounted for in its latest data. Helicopters from the Maritime Self-Defense Force sent to check the extent of damage spotted wood fires at seven places in Miyako city early Sunday, the Defense Agency said.

    Communication failures also were found to have extended further. Nippon Telegraph and Telephone East Corp. said 475,400 fiber-optic services were disconnected as of 6 a.m., up 76,500 from 8 p.m. Saturday, in addition to 879,500 subscribed phone lines that remained out of service in areas centering on Iwate and Miyagi.A total of 11,400 base stations of major cellphone operators NTT Docomo Inc., KDDI Corp. and Softbank Mobile Corp. stayed frozen as of 7:30 a.m., disrupting phone calls and emails via mobile phones across wide areas, the Internal Affairs and Communications Ministry said. Areas in Iwate, Miyagi and seven other prefectures remained unable to receive TV signals as of 10 a.m., it also said.

    Ground SDF troops, meanwhile, rescued about 5,800 people in the Miyagi town of Kesennuma and its vicinity, the Defense Ministry said. A 63-year-old man, identified as Hiromitsu Shinkawa, was rescued by a MSDF destroyer some 15 km off the coast of Fukushima Prefecture around 12:40 p.m., and was conscious, it said. A total of 69 governments from abroad and five international institutions had offered assistance to Japan as of 9 a.m., the Foreign Ministry said. The weather agency downgraded its tsunami warning to an advisory the same day for the Pacific side of the Tohoku region in northeastern Japan, meaning the entire country was no longer subject to any higher-level tsunami warnings. The government adopted a decree late Saturday designating the quake a serious disaster eligible for increased state subsidies for reconstruction.

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  • Location: Aldborough, North Norfolk
  • Location: Aldborough, North Norfolk

    Okay what we we're seeing is a lack of planning. Worst case scenario planning which simply isn't up to the task. Most will be already dead as far as recovery is concerned. The nuclear side of things is a joke.

    I've got a old video which says Japan plays at earthquakes. Sadly I cant find it.

    Sorry, I have to disagree that the Nuclear side being a joke. No doubt there were decisions made that looked at the probabilities of earthquakes, both in terms of strength and depth, I would guess that all contingency planning would have peaked at a maximum strength of about 8.6, because they would have looked at the relatively common earthquakes of 7.3-7.4 and planned for something 10,000 times stronger, but this exceeded even that. Thankfully, this WAS Japan, can you imagine what this would be like if it was Russia? It looks as though it's the supply of water to the reactor that failed, it could be something as simple as the pipes bursting due to the direction of the thrust of teh quake, or even one of the aftershocks.

    It is still contained, let's hope it's brought under control soon.

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  • Location: Milton Keynes MK
  • Weather Preferences: anything extreme or intense !
  • Location: Milton Keynes MK

    Time for a recap....

    Attention is directed once more at the nuclear reactors at the Fukushima plant put at risk by Friday's earthquake. Authorities say attempts to cool the No 3 reactor there have failed, so there is a risk of an explosion. But they're hopeful that if there was a blast, the reactor would be protected by its casing, as they say the No 1 reactor was during an explosion on Saturday.

    There is a high risk of severe aftershocks and more tsunamis, Japan's Meteorolgical Agency has warned. Spokesman Takashi Yokota said that for the next few days Japan should brace itself for aftershocks of a magnitude of up to seven and be prepared for tsunami warnings.

    At least 1,300 people are thought to have died but, with 10,000 people unaccounted for in one port town alone, the death toll seems certain to rise significantly.

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    Here's a quote from Naoto Takeuchi, head of the Miyagi prefecture police, carried on Kyodo: ''We have no choice but to deal with the situation on the premise that it [the death toll] will undoubtedly be numbered in the ten thousands.''

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  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Altitude: 189 m, Density Altitude: 6 m
  • Weather Preferences: Tropical Cyclone, Blizzard, Thunderstorm, Freezing Cold Day and Heat Wave.
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Altitude: 189 m, Density Altitude: 6 m

    And tsunami propagation.

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  • Location: Bognor Regis West Sussex
  • Location: Bognor Regis West Sussex

    Sorry if this has already been posted but I don't have time to check back through the thread.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

    This shows pictures of before and after the quake using google earth as a reference. Sadly it shows the shear magnitude of this tsunami and the destruction wrought by it.

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  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Altitude: 189 m, Density Altitude: 6 m
  • Weather Preferences: Tropical Cyclone, Blizzard, Thunderstorm, Freezing Cold Day and Heat Wave.
  • Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Altitude: 189 m, Density Altitude: 6 m

    Sorry if this has already been posted but I don't have time to check back through the thread.

    http://www.abc.net.a...beforeafter.htm

    This shows pictures of before and after the quake using google earth as a reference. Sadly it shows the shear magnitude of this tsunami and the destruction wrought by it.

    2 posts before yours.

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  • Location: Ramsgate, Kent
  • Location: Ramsgate, Kent

    Deepest sympathy's go out to all effected.

    Just came across this video, 4 mins in there is some ground footage showing the first wave coming. Staggering.

    Tsnami Footage

    Surprised to hear talk of haarp on this site. It's all speculation without hard evidence, but as it's a military project you will never hear the details of it to be able to provide hard evidence.

    I'm actually surprised it hasn't been talked about regarding the jet stream abnormalities, prime suspect for that blasting the ionosphere.

    As a sound engineer I can tell you the principle behind it is very accurate. We have tunnel vision and hearing in terms of frequency, we see and hear very narrow bands of what exists in these powerful spectrum's.

    This technology was discovered 100 odd years ago by Nickola Tesla. How many watts do they say it can use??? I have seen and heard conflicting reports on that but just look at the size of the plants and how many spread around the world there are.

    One thing i know is frequency is a powerful tool to be messing with. Your heart beats at a frequency, your cells vibrate at a frequency. Sound has long been proven to heal, when Monks are meditating they hum to create healing vibrations.

    This planet has a frequency which keeps the form of the things we see. Change the frequency, change the planet. Sound creates form, a science known as Cymatics. Have a look at this vid for an example of the beauty of sound, as the pitch changes it creates new patterns or a new form.

    A deep subject that has many levels, just scratching the surface here to explain how some of the claims of haarp are not scientifically unfounded. It would take me days to post all the info i have so far discovered on my journey into sound color and light.

    Something that could be unbelievably deadly in the wrong hands.

    This is a conspiracy favorite from few years ago.

    Clearly we live in a world of deception and corrupt leaders so I don't actually think its that far out there.

    Using depleted uranium in Iraq and Afghanistan to me is unbelievable but it's a reality. Weapons of mass destruction was said to be a reality but was in fact make believe.

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  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire

    1456: Radiation levels at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi prefecture are about 700 times higher than normal but are still low, the Tohoku Electric Power Company has said, according to the Maichi Shinbum website. Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency dismissed the possibility that the Onagawa plant was to blame, saying it was likely caused by the radioactive substances that scattered when a hydrogen explosion hit the troubled Fukushima plant on Saturday.

    Jesus. 700 times higher than normal is still low if you are comparing it to nuclear meltdown, sure, but its about 3 times as much as humans can stand.

    This is a different plant by the way, theres 3 reactors in the Fukushima that are failing and now this one in Onogawa. It's not looking great, it has to be said.

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Scary isn't it sadly these stations have proven not to be earthquake proof and once Japan recovers the debate about them will be long and bitter. Quakes still continuing and I'm wondering if they've got any plans to pull the rescue teams out quickly in the case of another tsunami. Last thing they want is too lose the rescue teams as well.

    Death toll officially at 1351 but this will rise of course.

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  • Location: Milton Keynes MK
  • Weather Preferences: anything extreme or intense !
  • Location: Milton Keynes MK

    Japan crisis 'worst since WWII'

    Japan is experiencing its greatest hardships since World War II, PM Naoto Kan says, in the aftermath of the earthquake and tsunami and a growing crisis at a nuclear plant.

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    A state of emergency has been declared at a second nuclear power plant in Japan, the International Atomic Energy Agency has said. "Japanese authorities have informed the IAEA that the first, or lowest, state of emergency at the Onagawa nuclear power plant has been reported by Tohoku Electric Power Company," a statement said, according to the AFP news agency. The alert was declared "as a consequence of radioactivity readings exceeding allowed levels in the area surrounding the plant". "Japanese authorities are investigating the source of radiation," it added.

    The Onagawa nuclear power plant is located near the town of Onagawa and the city of Ishinomaki city, in Miyagi prefecture, which was the region hardest hit by the earthquake. A fire broke out in the turbine building of one the reactors at Onagawa on Friday, but was put out. A water leak was also reported at another reactor on the site.

    Radiation levels at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi prefecture are about 700 times higher than normal but are still low, the Tohoku Electric Power Company has said, according to the Maichi Shinbum website. Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency dismissed the possibility that the Onagawa plant was to blame, saying it was likely caused by the radioactive substances that scattered when a hydrogen explosion hit the troubled Fukushima plant on Saturday.

    A former nuclear power plant designer has said Japan is facing an extremely grave crisis and called on the government to release more information, which he said was being suppressed. Masashi Goto told a news conference in Tokyo that one of the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant was "highly unstable", and that if there was a meltdown the "consequences would be tremendous". He said such an event might be very likely indeed. So far, the government has said a meltdown would not lead to a sizeable leak of radioactive materials.

    Mr Goto said the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant were suffering pressure build-ups way beyond that for which they were designed. There was a severe risk of an explosion, with radioactive material being strewn over a very wide area - beyond the 20km evacuation zone set up by the authorities - he added. Mr Goto calculated that because Reactor No 3 at Fukushima-Daiichi - where pressure is rising and there is a risk of an explosion - used a type of fuel known as Mox, a mixture of plutonium oxide and uranium oxide, the radioactive fallout from any meltdown might be twice as bad. He accused the government of deliberately withholding vital information that would allow outside experts help solve the problems. "For example, there has not been enough information about the hydrogen being vented. We don't know how much was vented and how radioactive it was." He also described the use of sea water to cool the cores of the reactors at Fukushima-Daiichi as highly unusual and dangerous. He described the worst-case scenario: "It is difficult to say, but that would be a core meltdown. If the rods fall and mix with water, the result would be an explosion of solid material like a volcano spreading radioactive material. Steam or a hydrogen explosion caused by the mix would spread radioactive waste more than 50km. Also, this would be multiplied. There are many reactors in the area so there would be many Chernobyls."

    A pump within the cooling system of one of the reactors at the Tokai nuclear power plant has stopped working, according to the Kyodo news agency. The plant is located in the Naka district of the central prefecture of Ibaraki, and is operated by the Japan Atomic Power Company.The 1,100MW Tokai plant, about 120km (75 miles) north of Tokyo, was automatically shut down after Friday's earthquake.

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    [source: BBCBreaking on Twitter]

    More Information here:

    http-~~-//www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12726628

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  • Location: West Malvern, West Midlands, 280m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow! Severe storms.
  • Location: West Malvern, West Midlands, 280m ASL

    I think it's all very sad. Putting nuclear reactors in Japan is highly risky to say the least with the level of tectonic activity experience there, even with multiple levels of containment. I'm sure the plant designers must have had contingency plans for any emergencies but they appear to have fallen way short of being adequate in this type of situation. If it was just one reactor then maybe they could get things under control but there are multiple reactors experiencing problems and that must be extremely difficult to deal with, having to have various teams deployed at different reactors under the current trying conditions with constant risk of more high-magnitude aftershocks, and even tsunamis. I think Japan will have to seriously reconsider their nuclear reactor policy after this, and other governments would do well to review their own reactors' emergency plans as well.

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