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As possibly, I am regarded as one of the more vocal climate change deniers on here, I have decided to start this thread up. The reason - the Model Discussion Thread should not and must not be littered with an examination of whether global warming is impacting current WEATHER. Chiro has already stated that he feels that this discussion should not litter his strato thread, The same must be true for the Model Output thread (IMO). Hence my reasons for starting up the discussion in here. I am not a doubter that warming is occurring. I think that QuickSilver's post was excellent until he started to have a gfuqhgfpjh at 'deniers'. I even do not think in itself it is necessarily wrong. The danger as, I see it, is that if we do (in his terminology), shake 4 or 5 or 6. then it will be ascribed to AGW. Another massive divergence of opinion will occur, and it opens the door to every single event being hijacked by global warmers. If,however, in his terminology we shake a 1, then it is simply be ascribed to chance. The truth is that historically SSW's have always occurred. Some have impacted the UK. Others have not. The dice is loaded. But not in the way that Q describes, but in an historically proved 66% in favour of an effect in the UK and a 33% chance of it failing to bring cold weather. Q resorts to historical periods when clearly SSW occurred. Their frequency seems to be more tied in with the sunspot cycle (and associated effects) than with CO2 for the more famous ones. (though not exclusively). I have no doubt that even in the 18th century there were failed SSW's, as far as the UK is concerned.. There is clearly no need to include any discussions in the MO thread. The moderators must come down hard and stop this development. Anyone else have an opinion?
