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Sorry MODS but was this post of mine in the wrong forum, please let me know.

Yes very depressing runs at the moment , seems impossible to get rid of the slug. Hopefully America will come out of the freezer soon, and the jet will die down, and take a nose dive south.

I think the problem with me is I've been following the model outputs for wintery potential since Oct, and with America going into the freezer early, it has seemed to be a long winter already. The model outputs more often than not show mouth watering potential with a fledgling PV being knocked about, combined with a distorted expectation for Dec (blame 2012). I have to keep reminding myself that it isn't Xmas yet and there is still a long time for there to be some wintery weather.

Yes the effect of the earliest sunset and the latest sunrise not falling on the shortest day, is known as the Analemma . http://www.analemma.com/Pages/framesPage.html

Think I'll place a bet for a white Xmas, should get good odds, like 20/1at the moment,

Has probably been mentioned before, but looks like a Scandy high developing. I know its FI but does seem to develop as you go through the sequence.

The GFS takes over a week to get into the slug position, ECM on the other hand has the HP in a lot more favourable position. This is certainly not a 2015 re run IMO. Yet

Thanks for the reply Steve will have to do a bit of work research into trough distribution. Fingers crossed for the next GFS

energy in the jet seems to be split with the lions share going under

Will feel quite cold tomorrow in a strong N/NE and the 528 dam flirting with the south coast.

Thanks for replying to my post Damian, I did a bit of research myself and found this. I don't think it was an official office, more of a nickname. http://bufvc.ac.uk/tvandradio/lbc/index.php/segment/0002600273021

Sorry to start a new thread on what is a silly question, but does anyone remember the government appointing a minister of snow. I believe it was a labour government (Harold Wilson ?). It was a particular heavy blizzard witch effected the west county. Thanks Pete B

A bit of a snap shot, but has potential imo with a mah retrogressing towards Greenland ?

Also the 528dam down to the south coast

Ok will probably not happen but sort of goes to prove that us and the east coast usa can be v cold.

Bit of a setback this morning, I'm sure the outlook will change in our favour, maybe even later today. 3steps forward 2steps back

I seem to remember ECM " leading us up the garden path" on quite a few occasions over the last couple of horrendous winters.. Lets hope its. GFS being over keen on letting the Atlantic in on this occasion..

A very distressed looking PV to my untrained eye there, the HP ridging over Greenland seems to be doing a lot of damage.

http://longyearbyen.kystnor.no/ I see the snow level has dropped significantly overnight way up in Svalbard.

Didn't realize that around the winter solstice the sun only gets about 15 deg above the horizon., for London.

Yes the rate of change in daylight hour is at its max just either side of the equinoxes. http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/london

850 temps look a little inconclusive for London, with a slight warming trend, but with a large amount of scatter after a couple of days.

have been lurking around this thread and model output for some time now and found it interesting how Xmas / new year seem to act as a mental switch. Before Xmas the days are still getting shorter most of the winter is in front of us, and if the weather isn't playing ball at least there is plenty of time left for thing to improve. In the new year though, witch is only 10 days after the winter solstice,days are getting longer and suddenly it feels as though we are running out of time , and that winter is over. I'm only generalising and maybe its just me that feels like this, I think its a combination or the bleak mid winter is relatively short period and the lengthening days.

I'm in the same situation although we had a good snowfall in 2013, I'm not that confident of anything significant in the short term for, were I live (iow)

Maybe 100mph gust for the needles ?