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Almost certainly, the average high here is a lame stunted 17 degrees, should be 21.5 in July where I live. This is really the "anti-2018" July up here. And every indication of any normal weather has been downgraded beyond all comprehension day by day every day.

Very dull once more here after 12 PM. - one of those things that does my head in during northern England summers, it always goes thick overcast during early afternoon until about 5-6PM so we get the highest temperature at about 12 noon and then it stays a good 2-3 degrees cooler once the cloud builds in. When I lived in the south this was much less of a problem. Today it reached 19.1°C at 12:09 and has now slumped back down to 17.5°C with garbo stratocrapulus rubbish festering up the sky making for a cool useless afternoon. And the highs that were formerly 20°C on the BBC have now been downgraded to 16 or the next two days, utterly pathetic. I cannot wait until 1st September, because I don't have any kind of expectation of pee-warm weather and more than two seconds of sun then. Bugger "summer". Scummer, crummer, bummer, dumber, but not summer.

My views on autumn: Autumn will start milder, with mainly mild nights and temps in the upper teens/low twenties. There will be periods of cloudy and rainy weather, with one or two sunny days possible. In October, middle autumn, it will be mostly overcast or cloudy, with periods of wet and windy weather, temperatures anywhere between 0 - 18°C depending on location. November seeing more in the way of colder weather, even air frosts possible at low level late in the month, but mostly around 10°C in the day, with more in the way of wet, unsettled weather, but also the possibility of some milder conditions and one or two partly sunny days if you're lucky. Overall, we expect it to get gradually cooler from the beginning to the end of the season, with a tend towards increasing wetness.

When it starts I will do.

I was working in the city centre where there was maybe 2 inches at best. Maybe some kind of urban heat effect? There really wasn't much at all. I remember seeing the snow level go down as we stopped at each station on the way from Buxton to Manchester Piccadilly. About an inch lower each time we stopped!

I can understand snow lovers' disappointment in a way. I lived in the Peninnes during Jan+Dec 2010 and there was more than a foot of snow each month there. But I also commuted into Manchester and the midlands in those months, and both places had next to no snow at all, even in those supposedly cold and snowy winters. Quite pathetic.

15 dizzying degrees today, and it felt "warm" compared to the last few days. Still chilly indoors though - heating on again til the flat warms up to normal levels. I'm amazed that I'm getting excited about hitting 16°C at a location in which the standard mean max temperature in July is 21.5°C.

I lived in the Pennines during that summer, and for that location, specifically, it was very poor apart from the first week of July overall. June was particularly cold in the first half though there were some sunny days. Most of July/August was Atlantic dominated and cool. The second half of July was atrocious, with a max of 12°C on 26th, and it didn't exceed 20°C from 11th-31st at all. August was very cloudy, with just 115 hours of sunshine recorded. One of the worst summers I've experienced. Then again I did live in a higher altitude part of the country, so the weather in my location, was worse than other previous bad summers when I lived elsewhere, as I explained in a different thread.

138.2 hours in Sheffield, which is 77% of normal. Very dull month.

If you adjust those temps in blue to 11-19 degrees you'd be right for South Yorkshire (though it's not quite fitting on that map).

All these comments about nice cool temps for sleeping - if only I found that so nice. It was 17°C in my apartment and I honestly couldn't sleep because of how cold it was! Was awake til 5AM tossing around trying to warm up. Also I finally caved and put the heating on today. This is the first time in my 33 years that I can ever remember putting on the heating in July. Unprecedented. On this note it's now 11°C outside at 1PM and we've had the entire month's average rainfall already so this is the worst start to any July in all my records.

Yeah exactly. I lived near Manchester in 2011 and 2015 and it was distinctly worse there than northern Lincolnshire in 2008 as the stats of the places I lived in show (which includes metoffice stats). If I'd been in one location in all three summers I might have found 2008 to be worse than 2011 or 2015. My stats show how much living on one side of the country vs. the other can make a big difference even if they are both places which are about even latitudinal wise. Interesting that when applied to the metoffice for the whole UK those three summers are about the same. Being in two places just 30-40 miles apart can therefore easily make a lot of difference in how the weather was

In the places I lived in, summer 2015 was 2.5°C colder than 2008, not only that but it was also cloudier. This = worse for me personally.

Well, you are wrong. I've recorded the weather since 2007 and these are my numbers right here: 2008 June Avg max: 18.4 Avg min: 10.7 Sun hours: 172 Rain: 54.2 July Avg max: 21.2 Avg min: 12.5 Sun hours: 179.2 Rain: 90.7 August Avg max: 20.7 Avg min: 13.6 Sun hours: 116.3 Rain: 58.9 2008 avg temp: 16.2 2008 sun: 468 hours 2008 rain: 204mm Summer 2011 June Avg max: 16.7 Avg min: 8.4 Sun: 175.3 Rain: 70 July Avg max: 18.2 Avg max 9.6 Sun: 167.5 Rain: 104 August Avg max: 17.3 Avg min: 10.6 Sun: 105.2 (lol) Rain: 60 2011 Avg temp: 13.5 2011 Sun: 448 2011 Rain: 234 Summer 2015 June Avg Max: 16.8 Avg min: 8.2 sun: 184.3 rain: 67 July Avg max: 17.8 Avg min: 10.2 sun: 166.1 rain: 72 August Avg max: 18.1 Avg min: 10.8 sun: 114.9 rain: 65.8 2015 Avg temp: 13.7 2015 sun: 466 2015 rain: 204 Well, I'm gonna play the numbers game and there they are: from my records. I have emboldened the final figures for all three of these summers. Now you tell me with your index and "instincts" that 2008 was "worse" than 2011 and 2015. I think NOT. In the locations I have lived in, 2011 and 2015 were substantially colder years. Also, they had less sun than 2008 in total. Also, they had equal or more rainfall than 2008. There is no question that 2008 was a better summer than 2011 and 2015. Your figures say one thing, mine say another.

I lived in Lincolnshire in 2008 and further north in England in 2011 and 2015 that could be why I found 2008 better. I doubt it though, because 2008 was milder than summer 2011 or 2015 in places Iived in. Also, your index is only for YOUR location, only takes into account certain factors, of which different people may weight into things differently. and I don't think I need an index to determine how a season was when I experienced it myself and recorded the damn temperatures, sun etc.. every day. I found 2008 better than 2011 and 2015. I don't know why you want to make an argument about it. TBH I'm getting a bit tired of people on this site who simply can't get it into their heads that people experience different weather, well, differently, and can't just let it go that to some body else, a season they thought was bad, wasn't as bad. I feel it's just for the sake of being right and scoring points.

Statements like this are completely meaningless if you're not talking about specific locations. In Northern England 2011 was far worse than 2008 as was much of 2015. I don't care about what it was in London because I don't live there. In my location 2008 had a good July (yes, good), it also had regular convection. August was cloudy but not over wet nor cold (my two least favourite things). 2011 had not a single thunderstorm all summer, the only such summer I can remember that being the case - and it was the coldest summer in somewhere around 23 years locally. June and July 2015 were both very cool and lacking in convection (apart from 1st which had some storms up north). 2008 was better than either 2011 or 2015 here.

My average high for July to 6th so far is 4°C below average. This is about as much below average as 2018 was above average. It's pretty much the "anti-2018" summer. The only worse July than this one in my records is that of 2007 which I remember for its constant darkness, 12 degree highs and lashing rain.

I was doing my weather records starting 2007. June 2008 was a bit cool and boring, but July was a decent month IMO. August was just very cloudy, but mild. I don't think 2008 was a terrible summer overall. Just forgettable. Not in the leagues of 2007, 2011, 2012 or 2015.

Yep. CET means bugger all when it comes to how a month's weather actually was. A cloudy, wet, summer month seems much cooler than even a mild March. Anyone would agree that March 2012 was a far better month than June 2012 even though it was colder.

According to a nearby weather station it went from about 18 to 13 degrees here in about 2 hours. Cold front? Anyway cold with very strong winds but it was entertaining to watch pigeons literally getting blown backwards into the air in the city earlier.

Worst thing about the month is indeed the absence of sun. Nuffin above 18 degrees now on the BBC. Pfft. Was showing all 20-21 degrees before yesterday. Dimishing returns an' all.

Overcast with drizzle every day, gale force winds, no light, freezing cold temps 5 degrees below the forecast every day, summer is dead.

I would like to take a foreign trip to Ponta Delgada. It looks lovely there. There's a caldera you can go and explore with beautiful scenery and it's a temperate climate with temps in the low-mid 20's, perfection.

Appallingly cold out today! About 10 degrees below average and I saw a big shaggy dog shivering in the cold the poor bugger.

Well that depends on the individual's preferences. For me, a poor summer is one whereby the temperature is below average in two or more months, and/or two or more months are wetter than average and/or two or more months are cloudier than average. However, for some people, a poor summer might be very sunny and above average temperatures. If July here is cooler than average, then it will be a poor summer by my standards, as it would follow a June that was both wetter and cloudier than average.