Rob Walker

Pulses of frankly sensational rain here near Salisbury, occasional thunder and lightning nearby. Ears now popping quite a lot! Might not turn out to be the wind event for the south that might've been, but i wouldn't expect this in a November storm; quite dramatic!

Would it be a "huge shock"? Pretty sure there's still more miles of variance than that in the latest various model runs

Hi Nick, informative post as always. I believe however one of the map graphics is incorrect, the "Actual rainfall totals so far this month" on your post. (which shows different figures to if you go directly to the quoted source of starling roost weather) An example, which shows Wattisham in the east having over 300% of rain totals in the percentage anomaly map directly above, but (what i believe to be the incorrect) image below claiming yet only 65mm of rain so far this october? instead of the 213.8mm which the link to the source displays as it's recorded October rainfall so far ( Starlings Roost Weather STARLINGSROOST.DDNS.NET ) I only noticed this because I was looking near my sisters (she'd said they thought they'd had way more rain than usual) and found it hard to believe the october monthly rainfall for anywhere in east anglia was implied by these two graphics to be sub 25mm?!

Interesting thread, albeit slight leaning toward unsubstantiated downbeat predictions (as many moans/ramps threads do lol), but some very interesting stats! Personally, I'll be hoping for either a warmer or much sunnier summer with some shorter, wetter interludes, that hopefully lasts through and past august this year. I was late to the vegetable sowing this year (recovery from major surgery) so I could do with the growing season extending a bit longer than the average to make up for later sowings/planting out. Allotment and garden have required a lot of watering past month already this year (central southern england) so actually quite glad for the coming showery rain next few days; and looking slightly more probable there will be a settled and somewhat warmer spell come next week (here at least) which should give all the plants a boost!

Slight shift eastwards? Little difference otherwise. Will be up early tomorrow and intrigued to see if this does strengthen our or not. Regardless looks like a horrible commute for many! Also, Anyone looked at the predicted rainfall totals? Was just wondering if these are increasing alongside the models forecasting the higher winds? Had an awful lot of rain here over the last week or so!

The above is from the MetO weather warning on my local forecast. It's the sentence (I've highlighted in bold) that caught my attention this evening. Something to keep an eye on as this develops further? Will affect rush hour traffic and morning commutes across south/west England and south/west Wales on current predictions.

Further details: A weather system will move northeastwards across the UK on Thursday bringing widespread strong winds. Inland gusts of 50 mph are likely with gusts of 60-65 mph in exposed locations around Wales and western England. There remains a small chance that this system will intensify as it moves northeastwards bringing even stronger winds to southwest England, Wales and on into northern England and southeast Scotland. If this occurs, gusts of 70-80 mph could be seen, mainly in exposed locations, bringing increased likelihood of more significant disruption. In either case, winds will moderate by late morning across western England and Wales, then by mid afternoon across northern England and southeast Scotland. Heavy rain is also likely to affect southern and western England as well as Wales, and following on from recent wet weather this may lead to some very localised surface water flooding. The above is from the MetO weather warning on my local forecast. It's the added sentence (I've highlighted in bold) that caught my attention this evening. Something to keep an eye on as this develops. Will affect rush hour traffic and morning commutes across south/west England and south/west Wales based on current predictions.

My BBC forecast looks actually better this afternoon so don't think it's gone too far (Salisbury), maybe they're just playing tentative with the graphics now?

While I'm enjoying the favourable "corrections" so far in tonight's GFS for any southerners hoping to see some of the white stuff, and the rather decent looking ICON run; I'm still fairly apprehensive about the chances until I see this trend continue tomorrow. Just seems like there a lot of uncertainties regarding Friday and on into the weekend that I feel still need to be resolved by the models somewhat over the next 24/48h, certainly before I get behind any trend! (whether staying cold or getting milder)

6 days away still. Reading to much into the specifics of these charts surely? I think we see the trend for questions over the event toward the south, will it be rain or snow or something in between? ...Will the event occur as its currently forecast? Probably not imo, it is still too early to call at this stage. I will hold fire to see whether the models come to (or continue to come to) agreement in a day or twos time before taking gospel in those chart cherry-picking for Friday. I for one am very interested to see how this all develops! Models are, after all, subject to change - interesting runs ahead!

Okay I think I may just have to take that back.... Obviously was lulled into getting twitchy there!

Seems to be a slight shift north and west of the coldest uppers from this run? (Thinking compared to previous model runs and that of the overall picture as well) Great run for bitter uppers across the land - snow fest too? That said, not much buffer to the south if that element comes into play too hard.... could be hinting at a slightly shorter spell of more intense cold maybe? - Being purposefully tentative in my wording you might notice

Ahh the ole devils advocate approach I see. To hook, line and sinker me. You do raise some valid points I won't deny, and hadn't looked too closely at the NAVGEM, yes that +180 chart does look tasty! The concern with the UKMO run is surely its southwards correction/and delays in the cold and extent of reaching our shores? It was still a decent run for the longer stint and those in the south/east intially. And I still think you are undervaluing that ECM run; I mean when you're looking as far out as T+264 to pick fault a lot can change by then anyway aha

Erm I'm not so sure about that stodge. I mean I do get your point about prolonged cold; but "UKMO is far superior" to the ECM?, I must disagree. That ECM was one to bank. To be honest I think quite a few people saw the UKMO as a bit of a let down run in comparison; nevermind far superior!