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1.9 and snow falling here north leeds at 150m

And it turned to snow briefly here in north leeds as it got down to 2.2c Snow falling again

Temp has dropped 3.6 to 3.1 here 150m

Oh dear. Like I thought. The models/atmosphere aren't providing us with much hope that's why I said we needed these charts to fulfil quiet side if Christmas on here. Just to think back to 2010 at what we were looking at...... If only again

Trust me on this one. This pattern will stick for a while. Eventually the high will allow in the west or south west.

Boring few weeks of settled but at least cold weather. Nothing wintry though.

It gets me quite frustrated when people keep saying -it's not winter yet, these charts bode well for later on etc etc. well actually they don't. The model output right now was potentially showing some very exciting 'potential' cold conditions!! We may never see similar Synoptics again this season. It is also perfectly normal for snow at this time of the year. If the current output by the gfs continues to grow and gain support then I can quiet easily say that the next 3-4weeks at least will be pretty much uneventful if you like snow and cold. (Okay maybe slightly frosty). Then were talking winter rolling away before our eyes in no time.

I would have thought we wanted to see that storm push under any high into Europe to push up the high and give lower heights. If it goes to Greenland doesn't that scupper this surely!

Interesting by Fergie there. Come on 12z's give us something exciting and not downhearting. Please also can some in here be slightly more optimistic rather than pessimistic. Usual caveats......

So in summary....??? We still get the ec runs tonight though??

Ukmo looked great until 144

What is the point in potential updates and reading from the background signals because things can and have looked decent but at the end of the day it looks pretty simple from continuing model output and stratospheric input that the over riding signal is for milder zonality because the PV continues to be far too strong doing us no favoiurs! Remind me of this post if I'm wrong.

It's crazy how in this day n age of technology the models still and will always continue to struggle and disagree with each other at such short range! Most especially in interesting weather changes/patterns.

This might sound stupid but how? I went on profile n no edit button etc

First post after years of following this forum. The problem we have that not everyone is seeing is that the previous outlook by the models has looked great but now not so great. So point being-any of these good Synoptics need to happen because we are NOT guaranteed it again even later in winter.