Gaz1985

Mostly clear 8.1c Maximum was 14.3c.... think it's going to be chilly by dawn.

Long may it continue I'm not ready for a heavy coat yet.

Actually I find the GFS to be quite accurate more especially with projected temperatures. ECM is good though in terms of projected pressure etc have to agree in that regard but wouldn't go as far as "superior"

Let's hope this Winter is filled with Bartlett highs, might be a bit quiet in here if that happens , we can all enjoy the mildness without the shivering and sky high energy bills

Yes I think today's weather will only magnify the darkness this evening.

True Eugene even if you had 10 temperature sensors in the same place there's always some people who won't believe you and say the sensors are "not accurate"

Thing is I believe the airport sensor is located in a nearby field - away from the runway and buildings so it will probably record lower than some urban places like Denton. Whilst mine is located 100 feet away from my door in a cold valley frost pocket so I know my readings are 99% accurate - one reason why I chose to locate my sensor there in the first place for the interesting readings it gives, I also have another sensor in my garden that I compare with it and it records about a degree higher most of the time, but again this depends on breeze, cloud cover etc. So I don't discount your readings especially IF your sensor is located in an average urban garden like I would imagine most gardens in Denton are, which might be just one reason you record higher than the airport, but again there could another 5 reasons why.

Whilst an airport reading is an "official" reading for any given city it doesn't necessarily denote what the conditions are actually like miles away from the airport in a random spot like here. Lots of things can contribute even in clear skies a slight breeze can raise temperatures up a degree or two. Last Winter there was times when the airport (10 miles away) had no snow yet here we had a good covering, this area is a microclimate. Just a 20 or 30 metre difference in elevation and being slightly further north and east (most of the time closer to colder air masses) can change things. Anyway for September both in year 2005 note this was for the Airport which is usually a degree warmer than here at most times my own reliable Davis PWS reported -0.8 °C on the 17th and -0.3°C on the 24th both are an air frost: 17th September 2005 airport went down to 1 degrees http://classic.wunderground.com/history/airport/EGCC/2005/9/17/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA 24th September went down to 2 degrees at the airport but here in Droylsden we still managed an air frost http://classic.wunderground.com/history/airport/EGCC/2005/9/24/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA Only 1 occasion was in June and strangely again in 2005 the airport got down to 2 degrees but here 10 miles away we went down to -0.2 http://classic.wunderground.com/history/airport/EGCC/2005/6/7/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA But yes I agree that air frost is not that common in May but it can happen....... but October can certainly be a darkhorse with frost - both 1992 and 1993 were particularly cold for the time of year with some moderate frosts, one morning in October 1993 it got down to minus 4 at Manchester airport http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Manchester_Airport/10-1993/33340.htm. While 1993 recorded that minus 4 figure overall 1992 was colder than 1993 with 7 air frosts recorded that month! http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Manchester_Airport/10-1992/33340.htm October 2003 was also chilly with a number of air frosts recorded at the airport. So it can happen and even back to back years, we're due it to happen again soon I would imagine only a matter of time.

Pressure building in once again from the SW, should feel alright

Only 2 months of the year I have never known a crisp air frost here and that's July and August, seen it in every other month.

The evenings definitely seem to be dragging longer now, thankfully we have less than 4 months till we pass the shortest day and it gets lighter and lighter again.

Thank god for that looks like Eastern Europe bearing the brunt of it, let's just hope it doesn't move to the UK.

Early dense fog burned off by late morning to leave a dry day with some milky sunshine, max was 22.7°c

I am torn because Atlantic storms can help us keep mild in Autumn/Winter but what's the fun in getting soaked and having a gale blowing at you? would be better if they just went to the North of the UK but dragged in mild SW winds.

I hope we get a Winter with strong wholesome Bartlett pressure influencing us - keeping things nice and dry too, I don't mind the odd rare frosty morning as long as it warms up enough to be classed as "mild" for the remainder of the day

Overall I was quite happy with Winter 11-12 it was comfortably mild for the most part, apart from that chunk of February but my over-riding memory of that Winter was the very mild Christmas day, think it was something like 13 degrees here. I remember having some family over for dinner and even with the door open for the smokers it did not feel cold at all for the time of year. I feel that Winter might be just a blip though but who knows.

I was thinking of relocating to Cornwall for that reason haha, about as far west as possible like Penzance but it seems the cold has a habit of following me and Cornwall would probably get snowy like it did in January 1987.

I didn't have the heating on here last year until November and this is a cold building, and even during the worst of the Winter I tried to have the heating on at limited times and turned nearly all the radiators off apart from the room I was using. For sure it was bloody chilly at times but you have to grit you're teeth and save money to spend on better things! if you are young and fit enough the cold won't kill you, Just wear an extra jumper like I did or go bed earlier with a 13.5 tog duvet or if you're lucky to have some gorgeous girl with you to snuggle up with as well.

Will be looking forward to the next 48 hours, might be April or May until it becomes this warm again!

Yes the snow and cold of Winter of 2009/10 was spread out over the whole Winter months it just didn't seem to want to end, while in comparison people drone on and on about December 2010 the following January and February was mild in comparison after that month. I lived a couple hundred feet higher back in the 2009/10 Winter actually not too far from Saddleworth and I shoveled snow so many times it became a pain, although I'm sure it's to your liking, not that's a problem we have our own preferences.

We did rather well here for snow last Winter and at 308 feet or so we arn't exactly high up - had a number of separate events with some massive snow flakes, some of the biggest I've seen in a long while. Strangely I believe parts of South Manchester had hardly a flake settle, just shows how marginal it was at times.

Good, been a definite chill in the air today here but hopefully proper Autumnal changes will hold off for a while.

Whilst it's not so great here Eskdalemuir must be one of the dullest places in Britain, been following that station for over 10 years and a lot of the time it reports cloudy skies.

I agree John, with Manchester located almost in the centre of the UK and not too influenced by the coast we usually get elements of everything all year round from most directions, so should be a good indicator.

Wouldn't be warm due to how far North the UK is due to sun angle etc but might be a Bartlett high influencing us? that would bring drier than average weather and probably mild weather. Still a long long way off though in weather terms.