Froze were the Days

Must of been a frost hollow the train was going through! Very mild ice (if there is such a thing) on car windscreens and patchy frost in Buxton.

Bet you didn't have a 'winter frost' where you were?...I was in the Peak District when we had that mighty 2 day colder spell and we only had slight frosts! As mentioned a variety this October but in my mind it has GW written all over it from warmth and dry to deluges very quickly and little in the way of cold.

Knowing our luck we'll get more of a powerful sw to ne jet set up and heights develop over the continent...my bets are we'll see the Atlantic 'fill up' with low pressure to the west and north in the weeks ahead (even more than now). My expectations are never too high when it comes to our weather that way I won't be disappointed!

Wet but not overly so...16mm on Wednesday and 18mm overnight and today on the Essex Riviera...so a combined 34mm, had worse. Just such a change from the dry warm conditions of last week.

Ridiculously weird synoptics - that 12z ecm shows development off the African coast of that low moving north over the UK from 66-114z. We are in uncharted waters... I'll put money on it that the heights to the north/north east disappear by the time we get through November.

I wonder if it will be like last Autumn leading into Winter? - very mild and then turn cold quickly as per that 10 days in December, sad thing I lost a lot of flowers (Geraniums/Dahlias/perennials) were still partly in bloom and then majority of them died within a few days of the cold and frost rather than a gradual cool down and surviving through winter. 24.6c here today...please let this end, it's just not right.

Hope that ECM 0z det run doesn't come off, cyclogenisis towards Greenland almost completely wipes out any form of a northerly getting going...will no doubt be colder (that's not difficult at the moment) but will soon be counting down the days before milder Tm air sets in place again if this run comes to fruition.

Have you got your all singing and dancing thermometer yet?...seems a bit high that 26.4 reading (though as we know get variations). I recorded 23.8c yesterday in the Stevenson Screen. Agree that this really isn't autumn, enjoying the dry 'usable' weather but temperatures at this time of year is a big no no! Off to the Peak district in a few days so hopefully something more autumnal up there...

Wake me up when Autumn 23 actually starts...

Seems like most years have a bumper crop for berries etc...been a poor summer for apples though (must have been the fairly cloudy wet July/mid-summer period).

Limpet low stuck to Greenland (as usual) stops any meaningful Am/Pm air transitioning southwards post 144z on the latest ECM run...a feature of the last month with LP's heading for the slightest bit of cold or magnetically attracted to.

Yes that's what I meant (worded completely wrong) If only we could get one of those months for Winter...we live in hope.

Go back to the post by BristolSi...you've changed the discussion from 'Damn cool/cold for March and April' to something different. and hard to understand?

All very vague...that covers 3 months, if there was anything outstanding for cold it certainly passed me by in March/April. I can remember the 1st April 1988 when the daily max temp hardly got above 2c...that didn't happen this year. We're talking about 'damn cool/cold March and April' as stated by BristolSi in his post earlier...one things feeling cold and another is actual cold and as we get more cloud at a certain time of year due to GW this will happen from time to time stuck under rain....been down this road too many times.

Yes hahaha!...it's the hope that kills you not expectation (that went out the window years ago)... oh! and BFTP soon appearing at the slightest sniff.

March 2023 = 7.0C (+1.4C) April 2023 = 8.3 (+0.8C)...if it was cold I must have blinked and missed that day! saying that now days if a CET anomaly is below 1c for the month it is cold...

Didn't happen last spring or the spring before...

Chuckled when I saw the Netweather home page...Thunderstorms!?! really? once again a complete blank, not even a rumble of thunder. It's been a terrible Spring and Summer for this.

Worrying statistic here on the Essex coast shows since the 33 days to now from the 1st September only 1 day has a maximum temperature which has failed to get beyond the normal, even today a day that the BBC says will be 'fresher' here has got up to 18.5c still at least 1.5c above - no change in sight for at least the next week. Real dire stuff...

'Warm September' - I think that's an under statement it's been like a 4th summer month, okay July was poor but temperatures again weren't on the cold side...overall though going by my back yard experience it was a pretty average one, August not remarkable but okay (other than the opening days) and June surprisingly the warmest on record which it didn't feel here due no over excessive heat by day.

Certainly for a cold/coldish January...2013 the last one and you could count 2017 as well but that was anti-cyclonic with frequent frost/fog.

Not a big feature but polar maritime air has been present at times in years gone by in Septembers (brief Am/Pm plunges last year) - first half of 2017 being the most consistent spell.

Nope!...but it is depressing to see such synoptics being so repetitive, high pressure on the near continent tick, low pressure of varying sizes close to or stuck close to Greenland tick, weak jet stream continually from the south west or south tick, very little in the way of polar sourced air tick. Of course this September is lining up to be very warm (exceptional) and we might experience a different October but I doubt it. Who knows what Winter has in store with an apparent El-Nino appearing but where in my post was I pointing to writing Winter off?

and your point? I'm talking about basic synoptics that we seem to see repeating themes (not relating to temperatures), appearing now as they do in later Autumn and Winter...maybe a look back in years gone by?

Wow! limpet lows all around Greenland...not allowing any cold air mass to escape southwards. A theme that is becoming more and more apparent, also similar to off the Norwegian coast when there is Scandinavian high pressure in Winter, it really is a lose lose situation in terms of cold distribution. Even Atlantic polar air is so modified.