Nick F

And there was a westerly QBO that winter as now too. 18z GFS op, only thing of note so far is that the high close enough to east later next week to allow a continental flow bringing slightly chillier conditions towards the east - maxes of 6-7C across eastern England next Thursday

Yep, we're reaching rock bottom with the 12 EC det. this evening, the EC/EPS MJO forecasts pretty incoherent today as well. EC46 may offer light at at the end of the tunnel later ... question is will GFS/GEFS give up the blocked signal or will EC move away from its more zonal outlook. At least there are these differences between the 2 models that hint at uncertainty from the medium range.

Hadn't noticed the new trend of the ens to move out of COD into phase 8, but thanks for highlighting this positive step in the right direction to perhaps shake up the wave patterns later this month to encourage more HLBs again. Still some uncertainties in the tropics, so not holding my breath until we see some solid changes in the NWP.

Slightly envious of my Greek colleague going home for Xmas by the time this happens for SE Europe with regards to the Scandi high, there's only one way that's going with most of the jet energy going over the top, though the upside is that we may see a chillier continental flow tail end of next week as the high to the NE sinks south. with the low heights expanding in the polar regions to our N and NW, it will always be a struggle to sustain a ridge over Nern Europe when there's a split flow, unless there is more energy undercutting the ridge over SW Europe and less in the northern arm.

I think there is a enough uncertainty and spread beyond day 7, not just from the GEFS members, but also the EPS members too, to calm the worries that mild SWlys are here for the long haul. Though not totally discount the worries either. The uncertainty seems to stem with how the models modulate deep cold trop vortices dropping down over Canada and Nern U.S. over the next 10 days and consequently how they handle amplification downstream of these vortices over the N Atlantic. One these vortices drops SE over E Canada next 24hrs - introducing cold continental arctic air south across much of northern, central and western U.S. But it's another, much deeper and colder vortex modelled to drop SE then E over Canada next week which could be causing GFS and EC op differences downstream to the upper flow. 00z ECM det. pulled this vortex E out into the NW Atlantic - flattening the flow, whereas 00z and 06z GFS swing the vortex NE toward Labrador Strait and Greenland, amplifying the flow more downstream over the N Atlantic. Just look at the 500mb vortices over N America heading toward NW Atlantic on 00z EC, and you might see what I mean Against the unfavourable background of weak MJO signal, low AAM, wQBO and deep cold over northern N America driving a strong and zonal jet stream, there does appear to be enough volatility to create some amplification downstream over N Atlantic/Europe ... just a case of whether these ridges will set up favourably to advect colder conditions back to us. There are, at least, favourable hints of cross polar ridging appearing on the models later on too - which could help lower the AO index.

The chart you posted on the left is up to 336hrs (week 2) and the right after 336hrs (week 3) though? Nevertheless week 3 does hint at a southerly tracking jet I guess ...

I don't think you can really infer any likely temperature range for the UK from the chart as it is 500mb height anomalies over a week, though it does suggest NW to SE axis to movement of troughing and weather systems, perhaps, rather than SW to NE as is case next few weeks.

That's the problem, too much zonality ploughing deep into NE Europe in next week to two weeks and then there maybe little deep cold to tap into when the synoptics could become favourable aka week 3 from the EPS. Anyway, there's still a weak flame left in the EPS long range to warm the optimism for the rest of the month.

Wrt to EC46 (weeklies), not completely out, but this is week 3 as a teaser ... H500 +anomalies to the NE this time

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Really is going take something not well-modelled by the ops to change the pattern more favourably, like you say warming/+ve heights working down from the stratosphere. However, the MJO for a while is not looking favourable for sustained trop blocking in our locale, plus the upcoming deep and intense cold sweeping N America will only serve to stoke the fire of the PFJ downstream towards the U.K. Not really surprised the ops are churning out the mundane mobile Atlantic charts with unfavourable MJO, low AAM and slightly strengthening wQBO working against HLB ... for now. maybe the EC46 will give some relief from the op monotony later.

Looks like the wQBO has increased in strength from November's values with +14.16 on CPC, kind of to be expected I guess in early winter though but will surely help strengthen the PV. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/data/indices/qbo.u30.index

With the jet going east under the Scandi high and N then E and SE over the top, you never really going to get deep cold to advect west under it, ideally warnt the jet to be moving SW under the Scandi ridge.

PV kind looks to elongate towards Wern Canada rather than wholesale move there, with the otherside still pushing a trough into NE Europe/Russia.

So, 12z GFS op offers us the tease of a Scandi High as the jet splits invof UK/NW Europe, but because of the strengthening jet upstream coming out of N America, the high gets pushed east too quickly to be of much use for us. However, the ops may not have the amplification ahead of deep storm coming out of NE Canada correct, nor speed or direction of the storm ... this could have consequences on how ridging downstream near/over UK evolves IMO.

00z GEFS H500 and anomalies go from this at T+240 to this at T+360 ... could be be worse

Sound advice from Matt to just sit back and see if any solid trends develop in the medium to long range which has been volatile of late, with the anomalies on the 11-15 day EPS and EC46 shifting with each run or generally just a weak/tenuous rather than a strong signal. In the short-to-medium range, fair few GEFS members supporting the 00z EC det idea of trough disruption over mid or east Atlantic, probably because of the deep cold vortex dropping SE over N America later next week causing some amplification downstream, throwing a ridge N towards Iceland/NE Atlantic, followed by a more southerly tracking jet across the Atlantic as the jet flattens out behind the wave. Maybe a trend to watch out for over coming runs ...

I know yesterday I cautioned about posting premium EC charts from subscriptions, there is some EPS available freely if you know where to look, this is the week 3 from the EC46 updated yesterday from an Icelandic Weather Service page and shows, as bluearmy and GP have indicated, +height anomalies to the W and NW. Though looking at the 00z operational GFS - a long way off getting anything like that kind of anomaly going on ... is a change from the last EC46 - which had +ve HGT anomalies more over the Norwegian Sea and Iceland around similar time scale.

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One positive this morning towards the touted mid-month game changer is the 00z EPS are still pointing to the temp turning colder mid-month.

It may not be in Netwx forum terms and conditions - but I know Weatherbell have not been happy in the past for people posting pay for ECMWF charts and probably ECMWF wouldn't be either. I've hidden them, but good to discuss them anyway.

Just a word of caution, I don't think we should be posting premium ECMWF charts from weathebell or other subscriptions, unless they are freely available, though GFS appears to be ok. Fine to discuss them but not really show them.

Not greatly though, NOAA CPC use height anomaly differences between Greenland and central latitudes of the N Atlantic (roughly Azores) to work out the NAO index, though other agencies prefer to use difference between Iceland and Lisbon or Gibraltar ... not that it makes a huge difference. Current analysis show height anomalies are low over the Azores compared to Greenland/Iceland and remain so out to day 9 at least ... even though mslp maybe same or even lower over Iceland in that period ... it's all about the anomaly I believe, as you'd expect height/mslp to be a lot lower over Iceland/Greeny on average. Day 0 Day 9

A look at the 8-10 day N Hemisphere profile from both 00z GFS and EC ops shows the Aleutian omega ridge still working hard to push to the N pole - hence we see those +ve heights there ... the trop PV clearly split with low heights over Russia and over northern Canada. Southerly tracking PFJ over N America ... but unfortunately for us the jet energy is going over the top of the western European ridge ahead of troughing over the NW Atlantic - so we get milder conditions eventually. Plenty of + height anomalies in the chart, but all in the wrong place for us. We really need to see more amplification to develop if want to get out of this pattern that prevent us from tapping into cold. Mid-December for the change?

Good confidence that the high over us will eventually sink south, though GFS is more progressive in doing this, with a band of rain and milder air spreading across all parts next Wednesday, whilst 00z EC doesn't have frontal rain pushing east across all parts until next Friday. The only glimmer of hope that the return of milder and unsettled SWly flow will be brief is from the 00z EC det. which days 9-10 has trough disruption in the N Atlantic and split trop PV with +ve 500mb heights over the north pole - which suggests potential for height rises to our north. But that far out we can't be confident on evolving like that.