Summer 2022 Chat

[Portsmouth Sun]

I really hope we do get a 40c, it just gets its out the way.  People complaining up north it never gets hot need a reality check. Northern Ireland is probably the coldest European county in Europe in summer. 

[danm]

2 hours ago, Sunny76 said:

 

I would have to disagree with 2019 and 2020 being excellent. Both has nice spells of weather, but it was mostly unsettled and cloudy in the main summer months.

2018 was lovely and sunny for most of the May to mid August period.

There was a lot of warm to hot weather in 2020 during the main summer months. 4 consecutive days above 31°c at the end of June, then a glorious spell between mid July and mid August. Max temps at Heathrow during that spell, including 7 consecutive days above 33°c and a 37.8°c at the end of July:

 

In 2019, the first two thirds of June was very poor but from the end of June through to the end of August it was very warm for good stretches.

Very hot spell at the end of July with temps of 33, 33, 37.2 and 37.9:

And another hot spell at the end of August with 4 more consecutive days over 33°c:

 

Can’t ask for much more than the above in terms of hot weather in this country. Across both 2019 and 2020 we had 24 days at 30°c or above. That’s nearly one entire month out of 6 summer months. 

[danm]

2 hours ago, Ed Stone said:

No, sorry, last summer was fine over here. Sometimes I wonder what you guys expect. Was my suntan an illusion?

Yep, even though 2021 was poor in comparison to 2018, 2019 and 2020 we still had 5 days at 30°c or above here. 

[East Lancs Rain]

14 hours ago, I remember Atlantic 252 said:

Another day when warmest was 7-8am, very common here

Is that because it feels warmer because the sun is out? I doubt the temp is higher at 8 am than 4 pm.

2 hours ago, Arctic Hare said:

Personally speaking over 30 °C is usually too hot for me, especially if I need to be even slightly active. The thought of 40 °C fills me with considerable dread, and the thought it may become more than a once-in-a-lifetime event within a couple of decades more so. That said however, if at some point it's going to be record-breakingly hot, then I'd marginally prefer 40 °C to 39.7 °C. No real difference in effect, but a more "interesting" record I suppose.

2006 was a very nice summer for me. In these parts it was only rarely stupidly hot, but it was really nice summer weather most of the "extended summer" from May to September, barring a relatively ordinary August. I'd definitely prefer a repeat of that summer compared with a couple of days of three-figure-Fahrenheit and nothing else of much note, and by a long long way.

I hate anything above 25°C but would like to get 40°C just once just to experience how hot it is. The highest temperature I have ever experienced has only been low 30’s (in July 2019). Which was plenty hot enough!

2 hours ago, Sunny76 said:

2014 didn’t play it safe lol.

It was a duff August though.

 

June and July 2014 were warm and very sunny here but weren’t excessively hot, just a lot of clear days. August 2014 was cool and cloudy. Like a cooler version of 2018. One of the better summers here in recent years.

3 hours ago, HellItsHot said:

I love the enthusiasm on here for extremes of weather, but I don’t really get the excitement for predictions of 40 degrees in the UK. 
 

Apart from the obvious discomfort/health  issues in a country unused to hot conditions, we all know the reasons for those possible temperatures, and what they might mean for the future, and none of them are good. 

Yes I hope it doesn’t come off either but it would be interesting from a meteorological perspective.

1 hour ago, danm said:

There was a lot of warm to hot weather in 2020 during the main summer months. 4 consecutive days above 31°c at the end of June, then a glorious spell between mid July and mid August. Max temps at Heathrow during that spell, including 7 consecutive days above 33°c and a 37.8°c at the end of July:

 

In 2019, the first two thirds of June was very poor but from the end of June through to the end of August it was very warm for good stretches.

Very hot spell at the end of July with temps of 33, 33, 37.2 and 37.9:

And another hot spell at the end of August with 4 more consecutive days over 33°c:

 

Can’t ask for much more than the above in terms of hot weather in this country. Across both 2019 and 2020 we had 24 days at 30°c or above. That’s nearly one entire month out of 6 summer months. 

Amazing how warm London is compared to the rest of the country. Like a hot desert compared to here. Barely a day below 20C in the summer. Up here more than half the days in summer are below 20C. I only get a few days above 25C a year and temps high than 30C are very rare, but I appreciate it because I dislike heat.
 

So I’m glad I don’t live in London or else I would be constantly moaning about how hot it is and spend the whole summer day indoors with the fan on. I much prefer 20C and sunny warmth. Much more comfortable!

[danm]

14 minutes ago, East Lancs Rain said:

 

Amazing how warm London is compared to the rest of the country. Like a hot desert compared to here. Barely a day below 20C in the summer. Up here more than half the days in summer are below 20C. I only get a few days above 25C a year and temps high than 30C are very rare, but I appreciate it because I dislike heat.
 

So I’m glad I don’t live in London or else I would be constantly moaning about how hot it is and spend the whole summer day indoors with the fan on. I much prefer 20C and sunny warmth. Much more comfortable!

Yep maximas below 20°c are fairly rare here in summer. 

[Don]

11 minutes ago, East Lancs Rain said:

So I’m glad I don’t live in London or else I would be constantly moaning about how hot it is and spend the whole summer day indoors with the fan on. I much prefer 20C and sunny warmth. Much more comfortable!

I think you would need more than a fan in London and much of the southern half of the country if some of the current runs verify!  Concerning thing is, the chances of exceptional heat appears to be gathering momentum!  That said, nothing in the Metoffice outlook suggests anything too extreme at the moment.  However, I would think a few eyebrows are being raised now!  

[danm]

2 hours ago, danm said:

There was a lot of warm to hot weather in 2020 during the main summer months. 4 consecutive days above 31°c at the end of June, then a glorious spell between mid July and mid August. Max temps at Heathrow during that spell, including 7 consecutive days above 33°c and a 37.8°c at the end of July:

 

In 2019, the first two thirds of June was very poor but from the end of June through to the end of August it was very warm for good stretches.

Very hot spell at the end of July with temps of 33, 33, 37.2 and 37.9:

And another hot spell at the end of August with 4 more consecutive days over 33°c:

 

Can’t ask for much more than the above in terms of hot weather in this country. Across both 2019 and 2020 we had 24 days at 30°c or above. That’s nearly one entire month out of 6 summer months. 

 

23 minutes ago, East Lancs Rain said:

 

Amazing how warm London is compared to the rest of the country. Like a hot desert compared to here. Barely a day below 20C in the summer. Up here more than half the days in summer are below 20C. I only get a few days above 25C a year and temps high than 30C are very rare, but I appreciate it because I dislike heat.
 

So I’m glad I don’t live in London or else I would be constantly moaning about how hot it is and spend the whole summer day indoors with the fan on. I much prefer 20C and sunny warmth. Much more comfortable!

I actually made a small mistake when taking those screenshots. I had the top temperature in the 24hrs up to 3pm, which had some overlap each day from the day before. It may make a few of the days seem a little hotter than they actually were. I’ve re-run it to the 24hrs up to 11pm. It brings the top temperatures down a little for a few of the days, but the overall theme is the same. 

Heathrow

2020 mid July to mid August:

 

2019 mid June to end July:

 

2019 mid July to end August:

 

[East Lancs Rain]

2 hours ago, damianslaw said:

I suspect because such conditions would be a 1 day wonder... 

Thank god!

The legendary DE at it now...

 

UK heatwave: Maps show Britain facing up to 41C RECORD temperatures 'Extremely hot' | Weather | News | Express.co.uk

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RECORD-breaking temperatures of up to 41C degrees could strike the UK, according to forecasts.

 

Really hoping it doesn’t come off, a lot of people will suffer, luckily I’m in northern England where it’s forecast to be a more temperate 30°C (still very hot for up here).

3 hours ago, Bradley in Kent said:

My takes on recent Summers in North Kent (including May and September) as someone who wants warmth and sun:

2022 so far: running to script 

2021: role reversal

2020: a proper stay at home summer (locally excellent)

2019: spikey

2018: belter 

2017: good start, poor finish

2016: poor start, good finish

2015: one day wonder

2014: steady, but played it safe

2013: hot in the middle 

2012: indoor clothes horse / tumble dryer job

2011: dry and drab

2010: short and sweet

2009: bog standard 

2008: boring 

2007: season skipped

2006: belter

2005: not old enough to properly remember 

 

My takes on Recent summers for me, coming from someone who doesn’t like it too hot but doesn’t want a washout either.

 

2022: Not too bad so far

2021: Nice, warm/mild and mostly dry throughout but rarely too hot. My ideal kind of summer.

2020: Poor June, terrible July, OK August. Too hot end of June.

2019: Very poor June, good July, OK August. Some uncomfortable hot spells late July and late August.

2018: Pleasant June, very hot July, mediocre August.

2017: Poor. Constantly raining, too cool, a lot of chilly winds. Very little warmth.

2016: Rather poor overall. Some nice days but very cool and wet a lot of the time. Brief hot spell around 19th July. Very changeable.

2015: Very average summer apart from one very hot day. Cool and wet July.

2014: Good. Warm and sunny June and July but not excessively hot most of the time. Cant remember much about August except I went to Minehead late in the month and the weather was pretty good.

2013: OK June, very warm and sunny July but nothing excessive, pleasant August, although cool and cloudy at times. A very pleasant summer.

2012: A total washout. Some better days late July/early August.

2011: Rather mediocre. Rather average June, cool, dry and sunny July, very cloudy August.
2010: Warm and sunny June, unsettled July with heavy downpours, cool August.

2009: Very average.

2008: Unsettled. Very cloudy August.

 

Id say my favourite summers have been 2021, 2018 and 2014 and my least favourite 2020, 2017 and 2012.

 

 

[Frost HoIIow]

1 hour ago, East Lancs Rain said:

Amazing how warm London is compared to the rest of the country. Like a hot desert compared to here. Barely a day below 20C in the summer. Up here more than half the days in summer are below 20C. I only get a few days above 25C a year and temps high than 30C are very rare, but I appreciate it because I dislike heat.

 

So I’m glad I don’t live in London or else I would be constantly moaning about how hot it is and spend the whole summer day indoors with the fan on. I much prefer 20C and sunny warmth. Much more comfortable!

Yeah it's notable how it's rare they drop below 20C as a high in the summer. Noticed this going back through Heathrow's history on weatheronline. I'd call that a good summer without hesitation and for me warm enough for shorts and t-shirt every day. That kind of consistent warmth doesn't occur up here unless it's a 1976,1995 or 2018 style summer. Anyway I hope the Armageddon heat charts back off. High 30s/low 40s is of no use to anyone and would be a huge added strain on the health system.

[Weather Enthusiast91]

As awful as 40 Celsius sounds, from a meterological perspective it would be great to experience it just for the one day. Just one day of minus 20 Celsius in winter would be an interesting experience also.

Going by memory, my takes on recent summers for my neck of the woods are as follows:

 

2022 so far - bog standard.

2021 - pleasant but cloudy for much of the time.

2020 - many hot days scattered across the 3 summer months. A nice summer overall.

2019 - a mediocre June. July and August were better and were hot at times.

2018 - predominently dry and very warm or hot from the solstice up until early August, when temps dropped back down to average.

2017 - great first half, poor second half.

2016 - disappointing first half, decent second half. A warm and sunny August.

2015 - one or two hot days but a poor summer overall.

2014 - average June and August, but a nice July.

2013 - a mediocre June, great July and mediocre August.

2012 - with the exception of one week in late July, it was a very poor summer with June being the worst summer month of my lifetime.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Weather Enthusiast91

[Sunny76]

8 hours ago, danm said:

There was a lot of warm to hot weather in 2020 during the main summer months. 4 consecutive days above 31°c at the end of June, then a glorious spell between mid July and mid August. Max temps at Heathrow during that spell, including 7 consecutive days above 33°c and a 37.8°c at the end of July:

 

In 2019, the first two thirds of June was very poor but from the end of June through to the end of August it was very warm for good stretches.

Very hot spell at the end of July with temps of 33, 33, 37.2 and 37.9:

And another hot spell at the end of August with 4 more consecutive days over 33°c:

 

Can’t ask for much more than the above in terms of hot weather in this country. Across both 2019 and 2020 we had 24 days at 30°c or above. That’s nearly one entire month out of 6 summer months. 

July was only hot on the last day of the month, and yes the first half of August was nice and hot or very warm for a time.

June had two hot spells, the start of the month was the continuation of the long dry sunny spell from early April, only with a bit more warmth by the time we reached June.

The weather was cloudy for the next few weeks with some sunny days and then another hot snap at the end.

I’ll meet you half way by saying 2020 had a more pleasant spell of weather compared to 2019. April to June was very nice, but the best of the sunshine came in April to early June.

June 2020 wasn’t bad, but just a bit cloudy at times. It was useable though, as this was around the time of the first lockdown. 
 

Spent a couple of days every other week just walking to the park or the river. 

[Sunny76]

6 hours ago, Don said:

I think you would need more than a fan in London and much of the southern half of the country if some of the current runs verify!  Concerning thing is, the chances of exceptional heat appears to be gathering momentum!  That said, nothing in the Metoffice outlook suggests anything too extreme at the moment.  However, I would think a few eyebrows are being raised now!  

It doesn’t get that hot all the time.

The recent temps have been lovely and warm in my book, and where they should be.

Anything hovering around 20c or below is cold in my book for summer.

[Staffmoorlands]

Another wet morning here.

[Sunny76]

8 hours ago, danm said:

Yep, even though 2021 was poor in comparison to 2018, 2019 and 2020 we still had 5 days at 30°c or above here. 

That doesn’t make it a good summer. 

[mb018538]

51 minutes ago, Sunny76 said:

That doesn’t make it a good summer. 

No....I think for a month to be classed as a good summer month then you need about half of it sunny and fairly warm (23c plus). If it's just 20c or raining for 27 days and we get 3/4 hot ones then it's still poor. 

The summer so far has been very kind in my region especially. Almost an inverse of last year where the NW was bright and sunny and it was very dull here. This year plenty of sunshine here, NW has been pretty poor.

[Don]

2 hours ago, Sunny76 said:

It doesn’t get that hot all the time.

The recent temps have been lovely and warm in my book, and where they should be.

Anything hovering around 20c or below is cold in my book for summer.

I know, I was referring to the extreme temperatures being predicted by some model runs later next week.

[danm]

3 hours ago, Sunny76 said:

July was only hot on the last day of the month, and yes the first half of August was nice and hot or very warm for a time.

June had two hot spells, the start of the month was the continuation of the long dry sunny spell from early April, only with a bit more warmth by the time we reached June.

The weather was cloudy for the next few weeks with some sunny days and then another hot snap at the end.

I’ll meet you half way by saying 2020 had a more pleasant spell of weather compared to 2019. April to June was very nice, but the best of the sunshine came in April to early June.

June 2020 wasn’t bad, but just a bit cloudy at times. It was useable though, as this was around the time of the first lockdown. 
 

Spent a couple of days every other week just walking to the park or the river. 

There was a lot of sunny weather right through the summer. Not all the time ofcourse, but it's never all of the time in the UK. 20+ days of temperatures above 30°c across two consecutive summers is excellent in my book. That's approaching 1/6th of both of those summers with temperatures that high. 

If we think about it another way - how many days across both summers did temperatures exceed 24°c (which is our average daily maxima in July).

In 2019, it was 46. In 2020 in was 36 - and that isn't including the exceptional Spring we had, just the three summer months. 82 days in total out of 182 across June, July and August of both years. That's temperatures exceeding 24°c 45% of the time across two consecutive summers. 

If we look at the temperature and sunshine anomalies, both stack up pretty well. 

2019 had above average sunshine for our part of the world and above average temperatures for most of the UK:

 

2020 also had just above average sunshine for the SE and above average temperatures for central, southern and SE England:

Edited July 6, 2022 by danm

[HellItsHot]

14 hours ago, 38.7°C said:

Do you have the same comment to cold chasers in the Winter? 

No, because a couple of weeks of snow and ice in the UK isn’t further evidence of an immediate existential threat to humanity…

[stainesbloke]

35 minutes ago, HellItsHot said:

No, because a couple of weeks of snow and ice in the UK isn’t further evidence of an immediate existential threat to humanity…

Weather enthusiasts on a weather forum might possibly be interested in extremes occurring, especially in a generally dreary climate like the UK’s. Though I certainly wouldn’t celebrate 40°C, it’d feel vile without air con. Give me 3 mainly sunny months of 23-28°C and I’d be well happy.

[Staffmoorlands]

Rained most of the day. Poor July so far

[Row w]

Some lovely asperitas clouds going over right now, not sure if I've spelt that correctly or if it's the right cloud

[Bradley in Kent]

9 hours ago, danm said:

There was a lot of sunny weather right through the summer. Not all the time ofcourse, but it's never all of the time in the UK. 20+ days of temperatures above 30°c across two consecutive summers is excellent in my book. That's approaching 1/6th of both of those summers with temperatures that high. 

If we think about it another way - how many days across both summers did temperatures exceed 24°c (which is our average daily maxima in July).

In 2019, it was 46. In 2020 in was 36 - and that isn't including the exceptional Spring we had, just the three summer months. 82 days in total out of 182 across June, July and August of both years. That's temperatures exceeding 24°c 45% of the time across two consecutive summers. 

If we look at the temperature and sunshine anomalies, both stack up pretty well. 

2019 had above average sunshine for our part of the world and above average temperatures for most of the UK:

 

2020 also had just above average sunshine for the SE and above average temperatures for central, southern and SE England:

I like the 'days >24c' count as a measure of a pleasant summer. 24c, if slightly on the warm side at lunchtime, you're talking temps around 19c - 22c late afternoon / evening, a perfectly comfortable temperature at a time of day when most people spend their down time. 

Actual tallies would work way better than averages. 

WEEK A:

22c; 25c; 23c; 27c; 24c; 25c; 22c;

WEEK B:

20c; 37c; 39c; 21c; 18c; 16c; 17c.

Both weeks have average high of 24c, I know which one I'd take!

[Don]

A plume event is definitely looking odds on now for late next week.  Main question, will it be as extreme as some model output is showing and break records, or will it get toned down a little as happened in June?  Interestingly it looks to coincide at the same time of the month as the June event, so I wonder if we will get another 'spike' mid August?

[Wold Topper]

9 minutes ago, Don said:

A plume event is definitely looking odds on now for late next week.  Main question, will it be as extreme as some model output is showing and break records, or will it get toned down a little as happened in June?  Interestingly it looks to coincide at the same time of the month as the June event, so I wonder if we will get another 'spike' mid August?

I don't think the weather follows the Gregorian calender? Or follows calender symmetry , Although August may leave me with egg on my face

Edited July 6, 2022 by Wold Topper

[Don]

7 minutes ago, Wold Topper said:

I don't think the weather follows the Gregorian calender? Or follows calender symmetry , Although August may leave me with egg on my face

Oh I don't know, it did for the summers ending in '8' and then 2018 came along.....