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Model output discussion 24/01/21


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  • Location: Leicester
  • Location: Leicester
2 minutes ago, Daniel* said:

ECM 06z snow line further south like ARPEGE I sense snow risk is now starting to fall in Midlands still good for south. Wales likely to see significant snow.

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Yeh posted a similar thing in the regional thread!!!had a feeling the 06z ecm went south when looking at the pressure charts!!expect further southward corrections in the next few runs!!not too disheartened considering the amount we got last sunday so all good!!!at least the colder air will be further south and west i think?!

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  • Location: Longton, Stoke-on-Trent.
  • Location: Longton, Stoke-on-Trent.

Hate that 6z ECM update but one update of one model doesn’t decide anything. Saw lots of people claiming last Sunday’s systems would end up further south, and we know what happened.

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  • Location: STEVENAGE, HERTS (100M ASL)
  • Location: STEVENAGE, HERTS (100M ASL)
24 minutes ago, Daniel* said:

ECM 06z snow line further south like ARPEGE I sense snow risk is now starting to fall in Midlands still good for south. Wales likely to see significant snow.

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Anyone with the Meteogroup app can see local output from the 06z ECM ...

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  • Location: Hereford
  • Location: Hereford
2 minutes ago, Tim Bland said:

Anyone with the Meteogroup app can see local output from the 06z ECM ...

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How much are snow accumulations going to be jeopardised by warmish ground temps following the last few days and in some areas rain having fallen before it turns to snow?

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  • Location: STEVENAGE, HERTS (100M ASL)
  • Location: STEVENAGE, HERTS (100M ASL)
1 minute ago, Runcible Spoon said:

How much are snow accumulations going to be jeopardised by warmish ground temps following the last few days and in some areas rain having fallen before it turns to snow?

Depends how heavily it is...Remember a week or so ago in the northwest when it was flooded, then the rain turned to snow..Setteld fairly quickly 

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  • Location: uxbridge middlesex(- also Bampton oxfordshire
  • Weather Preferences: blizzard conditions. ice days
  • Location: uxbridge middlesex(- also Bampton oxfordshire
6 minutes ago, Runcible Spoon said:

How much are snow accumulations going to be jeopardised by warmish ground temps following the last few days and in some areas rain having fallen before it turns to snow?

@cooling evaporation...

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  • Location: Burwell, Cambridgeshire
  • Location: Burwell, Cambridgeshire
7 minutes ago, NeilN said:

When was the last time a -16 / -20 upper hit the UK? 1986? 1979? 

i think -20 has clipped a few times historically - but i think even the famous Jan 1987 spell didn't quite achieve that - something like 19.

I think we got lower than -15 in the BFTE Feb 2018 spell, maybe a 16 or 17 on the EAst Anglian or Kent coast

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  • Location: Bwlchgwyn, NE Wales, 395m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: Winter cold undercuts from East. Warm thundery in Summer.
  • Location: Bwlchgwyn, NE Wales, 395m asl.
2 hours ago, Boro Snow said:

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Do you have a link for that format. Not seen that in years.

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  • Location: Banbury
  • Weather Preferences: Deep Deep Snow causing chaos
  • Location: Banbury
12 minutes ago, Runcible Spoon said:

How much are snow accumulations going to be jeopardised by warmish ground temps following the last few days and in some areas rain having fallen before it turns to snow?

Saturday possibly BUT if the front gets in on Sunday it should be after most have seen an overnight frost , last Sundays snow fell on frosty ground so it was ideal

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  • Location: Abingdon - 55m ASL - Capital of The Central Southern England Corridor of Winter Convectionlessness
  • Weather Preferences: Winter: Snow>Freezing Fog; Summer: Sun>Daytime Storms
  • Location: Abingdon - 55m ASL - Capital of The Central Southern England Corridor of Winter Convectionlessness
14 hours ago, feb1991blizzard said:

Majority cluster now either cold or severely cold. This is usually when they start to go down the pan - 24 to 48 hours more of this and we are home and hosed.

 

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With a 7-8C spread at D3, I think there needs to be another 5 days of this to get through to ensure that ECM hasn't simply 'forgotten' to model in an Icelandic Low.

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  • Location: Abingdon - 55m ASL - Capital of The Central Southern England Corridor of Winter Convectionlessness
  • Weather Preferences: Winter: Snow>Freezing Fog; Summer: Sun>Daytime Storms
  • Location: Abingdon - 55m ASL - Capital of The Central Southern England Corridor of Winter Convectionlessness
19 minutes ago, Tim Bland said:

Depends how heavily it is...Remember a week or so ago in the northwest when it was flooded, then the rain turned to snow..Setteld fairly quickly 

Example: 10th December 2017. Heavy rain all night. Turned to snow around 5-6am. Ground totally saturated. Gave about 5cm depth. In Abingdon. Most Hi-Res models had it as a total rain event even at T+0. At least matched level snow depths from March 2018.

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  • Location: Kirkburton, Huddersfield - 162.5mtrs asl.
  • Weather Preferences: Winter synoptics.Hot summers.
  • Location: Kirkburton, Huddersfield - 162.5mtrs asl.
10 minutes ago, Hillsnow3 said:

Do you have a link for that format. Not seen that in years.

Found it. Under Mean cloud cover. 

WWW.WETTERZENTRALE.DE

Wetterkarten GFS Europe 06Z

 

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  • Location: Bwlchgwyn, NE Wales, 395m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: Winter cold undercuts from East. Warm thundery in Summer.
  • Location: Bwlchgwyn, NE Wales, 395m asl.
3 minutes ago, winterof79 said:

Found it. Under Mean cloud cover. 

WWW.WETTERZENTRALE.DE

Wetterkarten GFS Europe 06Z

 

Well done. Probably last place I would have looked.

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  • Location: Kirkburton, Huddersfield - 162.5mtrs asl.
  • Weather Preferences: Winter synoptics.Hot summers.
  • Location: Kirkburton, Huddersfield - 162.5mtrs asl.
Just now, Hillsnow3 said:

Well done. Probably last place I would have looked.

It was easier to find under the old wetter format. 

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  • Location: Sedgley 175metres above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: Any kind of extremes. But the more snow the better.
  • Location: Sedgley 175metres above sea level

Know in my back yard from me folks. Snow looking a good bet for Wales and the Midlands.. how far North,how far South im not sure. But the bigger picture remains very positive,we have by the looks of it yet another start warming event taking place as we speak..the interest perhaps gathering momentum as we move into February.

Charts courtesy of Marco P.

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