South East and East Anglia Weather Discussion January 2021 onwards

[snowblind]

1 minute ago, Jamie M said:

I see that suggests the kitchen sink early Saturday then.

 

I'm inside this one! but I suspect mostly for the ice risk reading the text.

[Southender]

METO getting trigger happy with the warnings again I see

[Tim Bland]

6 minutes ago, Jamie M said:

I see that suggests the kitchen sink early Saturday then.

 

That will be mainly for the showers tonight, like I posted on the last page and shown by UKV. Will be hit and miss but anywhere inland with a bit of altitude could see a dusting tonight 

[Snipper]

Recently come in. 

[Snipper]

1 minute ago, Tim Bland said:

That will be mainly for the showers tonight, like I posted on the last page and shown by UKV. Will be hit and miss but anywhere inland with a bit of altitude could see a dusting tonight 

Beat me to it by a whisker!

[Methuselah]

So, Blighty has now joined the Ku Klux Klan? 

[Downpour]

Just now, General Cluster said:

So, Blighty has now joined the Ku Klux Klan? 

[Wimbledon88]

10 minutes ago, Southender said:

METO getting trigger happy with the warnings again I see

We are living in a very risk averse world. 

Just can't see it happening. No scientific reason. Its just that they are flip flopping all over the place, at 36 hours out. Seriously lads!

Sunny and 6c in SW London. 

[Nick L]

Another baffling, lazy "snow and ice" warning from the UKMO. Why are we being lumped in with a snow warning for Scotland?

Members of the public will just see "snow and ice warning" and interpret that as we'll be getting snow. Their warning system and page is a farce.

[Gowon]

Sorry, can't post charts, but the WRF NMM 06z showing a few chances - maybe light snow/sleet Saturday night and Sunday afternoon into the early hours of Monday morning. 

[Hammer]

23 minutes ago, snowblind said:

I'm just outside it

I know that feeling many a time something coming in from this direction doesn't make it up to me. Apart from when it is all rain.

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The larger ice and snow warning is a good shout to me .. The reason being is there is the chance of showers making it quite far inland across that whole warning area.. most high res models have numerous shower chances and different points within that warning time.. 

 

If someone 5 miles away does catch a shower and then it freezes up overnight there is an ice risk.. The issue is it could fall as pretty much anything hail sleet snow or rain and minor/small geographical locations/ features will dictate what falls.

 

While someone who missed the shower asks what all the fuss is about .. 

 

[Nick F]

11 minutes ago, Nick L said:

Another baffling, lazy "snow and ice" warning from the UKMO. Why are we being lumped in with a snow warning for Scotland?

Members of the public will just see "snow and ice warning" and interpret that as we'll be getting snow. Their warning system and page is a farce.

Yep, they could delineate areas on their maps with the different accumulations of snow in the general warning area for Saturday, i.e. 5-10cm high ground of Scotland, N. ireland and N England, then 1-3cm for the rest of the warning area, would make more clearer and quicker for joe public who don't want to click through to the text.

[Paul Sherman]

12 minutes ago, Nick L said:

Another baffling, lazy "snow and ice" warning from the UKMO. Why are we being lumped in with a snow warning for Scotland?

Members of the public will just see "snow and ice warning" and interpret that as we'll be getting snow. Their warning system and page is a farce.

Completely agree it is pure lazyness. 

They really cannot give a damn, why not split the UK into areas and load 4 maps on there warning page, its not hard to have a snapshot of Scotland with a yellow warning and then others for other areas and a more in depth discussion on it, I will offer to do it for them it they like as I am bored.com

[Tim Bland]

Euro 4 for tonight and tomorrow shows a bit of snow for some

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1 minute ago, Paul Sherman said:

Completely agree it is pure lazyness. 

They really cannot give a damn, why not split the UK into areas and load 4 maps on there warning page, its not hard to have a snapshot of Scotland with a yellow warning and then others for other areas and a more in depth discussion on it, I will offer to do it for them it they like as I am bored.com

I see both yours and Nicks point.. Perhaps separating the warnings would give clearer advice.. Although I must admit not many joe public take much notice of the met office warnings. I would also assume that due to covid not many are in the office and data sorting etc etc is probably difficult at the moment. 

 

That said, the showers and bits to the West currently coming into western areas is due to move over our region later today so I guess thats why they want to cover it as it may/might/not lead to some minor accumulations in places and certainly a higher ice chance..

[Nick L]

5 minutes ago, Paul Sherman said:

Completely agree it is pure lazyness. 

They really cannot give a damn, why not split the UK into areas and load 4 maps on there warning page, its not hard to have a snapshot of Scotland with a yellow warning and then others for other areas and a more in depth discussion on it, I will offer to do it for them it they like as I am bored.com

I prefer the old style where they used to do it on a county by county basis!

[Nick L]

13 minutes ago, Surrey said:

The larger ice and snow warning is a good shout to me .. The reason being is there is the chance of showers making it quite far inland across that whole warning area.. most high res models have numerous shower chances and different points within that warning time.. 

 

If someone 5 miles away does catch a shower and then it freezes up overnight there is an ice risk.. The issue is it could fall as pretty much anything hail sleet snow or rain and minor/small geographical locations/ features will dictate what falls.

 

While someone who missed the shower asks what all the fuss is about .. 

 

But snow isn't going to be a hazard, it's just ice. Describing the SE as under threat of snow and ice is lazy and misleading.

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Just now, Nick L said:

But snow isn't going to be a hazard, it's just ice. Describing the SE as under threat of snow and ice is lazy and misleading.

Some high res do give a dusting in places but its thin and far between... Yes agree ice more a risk but you never know someone with some elevation might get lucky.. 

[Nick L]

1 minute ago, Surrey said:

Some high res do give a dusting in places but its thin and far between... Yes agree ice more a risk but you never know someone with some elevation might get lucky.. 

A dusting doesn't warrant a weather warning though. For the SE warning to say "travel may be disrupted by snowfall" is utterly wrong. 

[Tim Bland]

According to the ensembles sun night / Monday morning is the highest chance of seeing snowfall in the London area

[Emz by the Thames]

Usually, I'm so excited by the prospect of snow...but my Dad has his covid vaccination jab on Sunday morning and I want him to get there safely.

[yamkin]

1 hour ago, Jamie M said:

Not again

We now know where the MetO's chief forecaster gets his/her weather warning updates from......The Daisy Express 

[alexisj9]

1 hour ago, Jamie M said:

Not again

They haven't left the coast off this time at least.

[alexisj9]

1 hour ago, Wimbledon88 said:

We are living in a very risk averse world. 

Just can't see it happening. No scientific reason. Its just that they are flip flopping all over the place, at 36 hours out. Seriously lads!

Sunny and 6c in SW London. 

That means the uppers are cold, otherwise like other years recently, it would be sunny and twelve c or so.