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  • Location: Bedfordshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm summers with thunderstorms, stormy or fog/frost autumns, cold winters
  • Location: Bedfordshire
    8 minutes ago, al78 said:

    It is laughable the implication that global warming must be made up because someone somewhere makes money because of it, whilst ignoring the billions made from consumption of fossil fuels and spreading lies and disinformation.

    In any case, you can;t convince someone of the truth of something, when there salary or identity demands it is false.

    Spot on mate. Couldn't agree more

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    I have heard from a reliable source that henceforth the European high will be known as 'Prozac Ridge'

    I’m just wondering rather than having model verification stats, we should perhaps have poster verification stats. That way we can see who it’s worth paying attention to and who to disregard.....just a

    Yes, I agree. I wanted snow as much as anyone but along with others was never enthused with this spell. I don't claim any crystal ball or magical abilities, but I can (most of the time) read a chart a

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  • Location: Bedfordshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm summers with thunderstorms, stormy or fog/frost autumns, cold winters
  • Location: Bedfordshire
    12 minutes ago, al78 said:

    Here are timeseries of the CET for December January and February 1900-2020 (2019 for December). There have been small upward trends in all winter months, but note the interannual variability is an order of magnitude larger, so it would be premature to claim the UK can't get severe cold periods in winter any more or in the future.

     

     

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    Nice find, thanks. Illustrates the warming quite nicely

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  • Location: Bedfordshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm summers with thunderstorms, stormy or fog/frost autumns, cold winters
  • Location: Bedfordshire
    38 minutes ago, Relativistic said:

    I'm not debating that. My original point was that basing expectations on an exceptional series of childhood Winters, which you disputed as being not exceptional temperature-wise, is a little unrealistic; I then provided evidence against your dispute.

    You can easily find the data you're looking for here:
    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/mly_cet_mean_sort.txt

    This if for central England only; if you want nationwide data you'll have to look elsewhere. No doubt you'll see that the Winter months have warmed (again, not what I refuted). There's even a thread for this topic here:

     

    And my point was that it was your assertion that I'm basing winters on childhood memories (how 1987,-88, 1988-89, 1989-90 fits in with your assertion I'm not sure) is just incorrect. My beef is not necessarily with warm winters but the regularity of them. If this turns out to be ANOTHER warmer than average winter but it was within a context of a cycle of more variable winters (some cold, some average, some mild) I wouldn't be so worried. And crap, warm winters are getting more regular whether we like it or not

    What I'm saying is that expecting more than 1 snow day since March 2018 (and hardly any from Dec 2013- Feb 2017 either) is not a high expectation and December 2020 looks as though it's going to be another winter month that just passes us by. You're assuming that just because I was a kid during some good winters is that what I expect all the time. It isn't. But you seem to be saying that the fact that a place in lowland Southern UK has only seen one snow day (and that really was pitiful and didn't even settle and was gone by the next morning) in almost 3 years is also normal. It really isn't in the context of our winter climate in decades past (with some exceptions in the past (the 70s especially) admittedly)

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  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
  • Weather Preferences: Continental winters & summers.
  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
    12 minutes ago, mountain shadow said:

     

    The 'cold' spell we have just had

    We’ve just had a cold spell? I must’ve missed it.

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
    3 minutes ago, MP-R said:

    We’ve just had a cold spell? I must’ve missed it.

    Relatively.  The temps were a little below average for some.

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  • Location: Edinburgh (previously Chelmsford and Birmingham)
  • Weather Preferences: Unseasonably cold weather (at all times of year), wind, and thunderstorms.
  • Location: Edinburgh (previously Chelmsford and Birmingham)
    22 minutes ago, LRD said:

    And my point was that it was your assertion that I'm basing winters on childhood memories (how 1987,-88, 1988-89, 1989-90 fits in with your assertion I'm not sure) is just incorrect. My beef is not necessarily with warm winters but the regularity of them. If this turns out to be ANOTHER warmer than average winter but it was within a context of a cycle of more variable winters (some cold, some average, some mild) I wouldn't be so worried. And crap, warm winters are getting more regular whether we like it or not

    What I'm saying is that expecting more than 1 snow day since March 2018 (and hardly any from Dec 2013- Feb 2017 either) is not a high expectation and December 2020 looks as though it's going to be another winter month that just passes us by. You're assuming that just because I was a kid during some good winters is that what I expect all the time. It isn't. But you seem to be saying that the fact that a place in lowland Southern UK has only seen one snow day (and that really was pitiful and didn't even settle and was gone by the next morning) in almost 3 years is also normal. It really isn't in the context of our winter climate in decades past (with some exceptions in the past (the 70s especially) admittedly)

    I agree with you on almost everything you've said. I disputed a different point you made about the 80s being "not that special in the context of the entire century", which one can easily argue is not true.

    Anyway, hopefully the links I provided you with regarding warming were useful.

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  • Location: oldham
  • Location: oldham

      

    3 hours ago, Summer Sun said:

    4.1c to the 10th

    0.9c below the 61 to 90 average
    1.2c below the 81 to 10 average

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    Current high this month 5.1c on the 2nd
    Current low this month 3.9c on the 8th & 9th

    For those wondering if we have had a cold spell or not.

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  • Location: Dublin
  • Location: Dublin
    6 minutes ago, Snow lover 2020 said:

    Show me how it’s been proven wrong? And no are you stupid? The solar cycles are getting less and less., if you refer to the charts of the solar every 10 years. It’s the lowest it’s been since Maunder Minimum in 1600s! River Thames froze over during this period. We’ll see who’s right in 10 years 🙂 

    Here's something you might read too. 

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    WWW.IFLSCIENCE.COM

    This month there’s been a hoopla about a mini ice age, and unfortunately it tells us more about failures of science communication than the climate.

    Zarkhova, the primary source for the Grand Solar Minimum touted by the media, never actually suggested this in the first place. In fact it was only after the media hopped on her research and hyped the story suggesting connection to climate change and the Maunder minimum that Zarkhova even thought to consider a link there.

    Scientific peer review has offered no such outcome that I've seen but I'd welcome direction to any if it's there.  I'd prefer to choose the scientific community over elements of the media, or other websites/individuals that have little or no recognisable qualification that gives them credibility.  They simply relay these stories - it makes fun reading and generates hits. 

    I'm open to research that provides credible backup to a position - I've not found any yet to support the view you've presented.

     

     

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
    2 minutes ago, Snow lover 2020 said:

    It’s all lies. Delete this now! 

    And who @mushymanrob said that comedy is dead!:drunk-emoji:

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  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Hoar Frost, Snow, Misty Autumn mornings
  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL
    36 minutes ago, Snow lover 2020 said:

    The solar cycles are getting less and less.

    And the temperature's going up and up.

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  • Location: frome somerset 105m ABSL,
  • Weather Preferences: cold snow, thunderstorms
  • Location: frome somerset 105m ABSL,

    Anything model related going on??

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
    3 minutes ago, fromey said:

    Anything model related going on??

    Indeed there is...it's in the model thread!👍

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  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
  • Weather Preferences: Winter: Cold & Snowy, Summer: Just not hot
  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire

    Right, shall we get this away from climate change denial and back onto winter 2020/21? 😄

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  • Location: frome somerset 105m ABSL,
  • Weather Preferences: cold snow, thunderstorms
  • Location: frome somerset 105m ABSL,
    Just now, General Cluster said:

    Indeed there is...it's in the model thread!👍

    I have just realised I’m not on that page!!! 🤣

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  • Location: Horsham
  • Weather Preferences: Anything non-disruptive, and some variety
  • Location: Horsham
    1 hour ago, Skullzrulerz said:

    I totally forgotten what is a cold spell again ?

    It is that period when contributors on weather forums across the net start having perpetual orgasms over the GFS forecasts, and when people (usually living in the north of England/Scotland) falsely claim the south of England grinds to a halt from an inch of snow.

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  • Location: Cornwall
  • Location: Cornwall
    16 minutes ago, al78 said:

    It is that period when contributors on weather forums across the net start having perpetual orgasms over the GFS forecasts, and when people (usually living in the north of England/Scotland) falsely claim the south of England grinds to a halt from an inch of snow.

    Now that you say that I do remember somewhat 

    Also includes getting excited over two week wintery charts and includes denial and a hangover the next day 

    Hence you don't see some members here when it's no the output they want 

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  • Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire 123m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow (Mostly)
  • Location: Hinckley, Leicestershire 123m ASL

    Oh, looks like all is forgiven and winter is back (according to GFS 12z and gin)❄️🍸

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  • Location: Essex Riviera aka Burnham
  • Weather Preferences: 30 Degrees of pure British Celsius
  • Location: Essex Riviera aka Burnham
    3 hours ago, fromey said:

    So boys and girls get your coats, winter is over 😅!! 

    That is simply not true...it should be shorts

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  • Location: Leeds
  • Weather Preferences: snow, heat, thunderstorms
  • Location: Leeds
    3 hours ago, MP-R said:

    We’ve just had a cold spell? I must’ve missed it.

    We had a bit of snow for about an hour on one day, probably counts as a cold spell these days.

    Call me crazy but I hope we get another month like December 2015, minus the flooding. If it’s not going to snow then I’d rather it be 10-15C and somewhat pleasant as opposed to the current damp foggy 5-7C.

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  • Location: Wildwood, Stafford 104m asl
  • Weather Preferences: obviously snow!
  • Location: Wildwood, Stafford 104m asl
    31 minutes ago, cheese said:

    We had a bit of snow for about an hour on one day, probably counts as a cold spell these days.

    Call me crazy but I hope we get another month like December 2015, minus the flooding. If it’s not going to snow then I’d rather it be 10-15C and somewhat pleasant as opposed to the current damp foggy 5-7C.

    not been on for a bit? actually I agree with this

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  • Location: Woburn
  • Location: Woburn

    Felt so mild here today. The usual sodden wet ground underfoot whilst dog walking. 
     

    Not Christmassy at all 

    Hopefully the Day 10 charts (Cold) Start showing their face again, so the MOD thread cheers up 😂😂 until Day 7 when it all falls apart, then repeats a cold day 10 chart the following day 

    Rinse and repeat 😂😂😂
     

    Boom it’s April 

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  • Location: Leeds
  • Weather Preferences: snow, heat, thunderstorms
  • Location: Leeds
    22 minutes ago, I remember Atlantic 252 said:

    not been on for a bit? actually I agree with this

    Yeah, these days I’m probably more active in the summer. At least we still get heat and thunderstorms May-Sept. Winter is dull.

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