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Siberian snow at last. Looks like an area larger than the UK just got dumped on  

Noticed we didn't have Snow & Ice thread yet for this year, one of my favourites of the year. So here's the latest offering:  

Well, well, well.... Checked out US NIC early, as I am out in the morning....  Snow cover -    small reductions in both East and West. But Its an absolute killer for ice extent.....

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .

    Well Masie didn't let us down..

    A huge 303K Km2 increase yesterday.  (That is greater by 25% than the area of the UK)

    Masie 6954K Km2 still in last position, but rapidly gaining now on 2016.

    It was indeed the Russian seas which this time exploded.

    I cannot see why it will not happen today as well - perhaps not quite as large

    The ESS went mad  (+96K) (I thought the ice would classify as Chukchi) - Laptev steadily gained out to the islands, and Kara increased by (+77K).  Barents gained just 1K. 

    That is a total of 204K KM2 in just 24hours. Must be in flash refreeze territory.

    Elsewhere Beaufort gained (+6K) and Chukchi (+26K) continued their normal refreeze.

    Greenland and CAB (+1K) and (+6K) hardly changed.

    North America was in consolidation mode following yesterdays fireworks,  with Baffin( +20K), CAA (+21K) and Hudson (+15K).

    Still 1 day left in October!!     

    MIA   

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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)

    Here's the 2 day change map based on the MASIE data.

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    We've added 596k in the last 2 days. Almost half of this has come from the Russian Arctic seas (ESS +127k, Laptev +73k and Kara +84K).
    The CAA, Baffin and Hudson Bay (+103k, +79k and +51k respectively) are the other big gainers. 
    North east passage now essentially cut off.

    The amount of open water in the Arctic ocean is still unprecedented. This will help with snow cover over the continents though.

    EDIT: Snap, MIA😄

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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)

    With ice-free area at record levels for the Arctic, and for the day that's in it...

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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)

    Slow sea ice concentration animation from the past week

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
    28 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

    Slow sea ice concentration animation from the past week

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    Great to see it happen  BFTV...

    Meanwhile US NIC today has increased the pack movement outward  in ESS, but strangely I cannot detect any change in Laptev. 

    Kara is still stretching outwards from the coast.

    Else where the pack edge has moved back towards Svalbard again, and is just oscillating. NA has increased a little.

    Snow is more or less stationary.

    Back much later today with another very good, though not a triple century, MASIE.

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    MIA

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  • Location: Mid Essex
  • Location: Mid Essex
    21 hours ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

    Here's the 2 day change map based on the MASIE data.

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    We've added 596k in the last 2 days. Almost half of this has come from the Russian Arctic seas (ESS +127k, Laptev +73k and Kara +84K).
    The CAA, Baffin and Hudson Bay (+103k, +79k and +51k respectively) are the other big gainers. 
    North east passage now essentially cut off.

    The amount of open water in the Arctic ocean is still unprecedented. This will help with snow cover over the continents though.

    EDIT: Snap, MIA😄

    What could be the reason for a loss in area outlined in yellow? Can understand the reasons on the periphery but less so in this location. 

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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
    2 hours ago, Snipper said:

    What could be the reason for a loss in area outlined in yellow? Can understand the reasons on the periphery but less so in this location. 

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    That's the exit of the Nares Strait (between Greenland and Ellesmere Island). Some of the ice is transported there from the central Arctic just north of Greenland, so there's a mix of freezing and transported ice that tends to produce more variability at times. It's a pretty small spot, so it might also just be noisy data.

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  • Location: Mid Essex
  • Location: Mid Essex
    7 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

    That's the exit of the Nares Strait (between Greenland and Ellesmere Island). Some of the ice is transported there from the central Arctic just north of Greenland, so there's a mix of freezing and transported ice that tends to produce more variability at times. It's a pretty small spot, so it might also just be noisy data.

    Thanks. I always like anomalies. 
     

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .

    Hi guys..

     Back from Golf - what may be my final game of the year!😒

    Masie today looked as expected, but was a bit strange in that four major sea ice areas reported exactly the same as the previous day.(Laptev, Baffin and Hudson and Barents). Not seen that before!

    Anyway to the numbers on Masie extent. 

    An increase of 120K Km2 to a total of 7074K Km2 now within a large day of 2016.

    ESS, as suggested boomed again (+53K), Laptev (0) and Kara(+27K). 

    Beaufort(+5K) and Chukchi (+22K) continue towards full ice.

    Barents (-2K) and Greenland(+2K) cancelled out.

    CAA(+2K) was the exception as Hudson and Baffin reported no change.

    Tomorrow could be the interesting day!

    MIA 

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
    1 hour ago, Turnedoutniceagain said:

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    Yes,  the 'gap' in the ESS will soon be 'bridged'. That will mean that the ocean in Laptev will have been circled by ice and should ensure a quicker freeze out now.

    Big gains in all areas shown as zero yesterday! Looks like a data issue occurred yesterday.

    Today                                                                Yesterday

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  • Location: Mid Essex
  • Location: Mid Essex

    Been trying to find webcams in areas where the ice growth is. Unsurprisingly there doesn’t seem to be any. Does anyone have a source. 
     

    Could find a few on west side of Greenland. Looks cold.

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
    1 hour ago, Snipper said:

    Been trying to find webcams in areas where the ice growth is. Unsurprisingly there doesn’t seem to be any. Does anyone have a source. 
     

    Could find a few on west side of Greenland. Looks cold.

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    Re the above

    Try Barrow, and Churchill for now, Svalbard is good in about 2 weeks time.

    MASIE today --

    Extent total up to 7,237K Km2, an increase of 163K Km2 on yesterday. Only just behind 2016 by about 50K Km2 now.

    Volume on DMI is still above last year.

    Snow cover is nearly  unchanged, with the US cover (perhaps surprisingly) still intact..

    4 more major ice areas showed no change at all today (in absolute numeric terms). Something odd here,  as it is a rarity in Masie when ice is freezing quickly -  and they are mainly the different major areas compared to yesterday. The areas today are Chukchi (went up by 22K yesterday, Kara (went up by 27K yesterday),  but Barents and Hudson (went up by +2 and 0 yesterday) are possibly not quite so surprising.. 

    Elsewhere a huge gain of (+78K) for Laptev (?), which showed (0) yesterday, and a steady (+32K) for ESS as the ice started to move past the inner islands towards the oncoming main pack. 

    Beaufort continued with its gains (+7K), whereas Baffin(+7K after 0 yesterday), whilst Greenland (-13K) and  CAB (+25K) played the yoyo again, as light and changeable winds covered the area. 

    I promised a review as of Oct 1st.

    Just under a half of the Russian waters have frozen over  now in the last 10 days. I make it about 1.200K Km2 out of 2800k Km2, with most in the last 5 days. BFTV any chance of you graph(ic)  of the Russian seas?.

    These seas are icing fast now and provided weather conditions remain similar then by next weekend (8th) we should be seeing large areas  frozen over.

    I will check the snow  graphs later for the situation at the end of the month, and report back when they appear.

    MIA  

     

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  • Location: Mid Essex
  • Location: Mid Essex
    10 minutes ago, Midlands Ice Age said:

     

    Re the above

    Try Barrow, and Churchill for now, Svalbard is good in about 2 weeks time.

    MASIE today --

    Extent total up to 7,237K Km2, an increase of 163K Km2 on yesterday. Only just behind 2016 by about 50K Km2 now.

    Volume on DMI is still above last year.

    Snow cover is nearly  unchanged, with the US cover (perhaps surprisingly) still intact..

    4 more major ice areas showed no change at all today (in absolute numeric terms). Something odd here,  as it is a rarity in Masie when ice is freezing quickly -  and they are mainly the different major areas compared to yesterday. The areas today are Chukchi (went up by 22K yesterday, Kara (went up by 27K yesterday),  but Barents and Hudson (went up by +2 and 0 yesterday) are possibly not quite so surprising.. 

    Elsewhere a huge gain of (+78K) for Laptev (?), which showed (0) yesterday, and a steady (+32K) for ESS as the ice started to move past the inner islands towards the oncoming main pack. 

    Beaufort continued with its gains (+7K), whereas Baffin(+7K after 0 yesterday), whilst Greenland (-13K) and  CAB (+25K) played the yoyo again, as light and changeable winds covered the area. 

    I promised a review as of Oct 1st.

    Just under a half of the Russian waters have frozen over  now in the last 10 days. I make it about 1.200K Km2 out of 2800k Km2, with most in the last 5 days. BFTV any chance of you graph(ic)  of the Russian seas?.

    These seas are icing fast now and provided weather conditions remain similar then by next weekend (8th) we should be seeing large areas  frozen over.

    I will check the snow  graphs later for the situation at the end of the month, and report back when they appear.

    MIA  

     

    Thanks will check your suggestions out. 

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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)

    Latest single day NSIDC extent increase is the largest on record, at +391k, giving a 5 day total of 1.246 million km2.
    No longer the lowest on record now, 44k above 2016.

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  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
    8 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

    Latest single day NSIDC extent increase is the largest on record, at +391k, giving a 5 day total of 1.246 million km2.
    No longer the lowest on record now, 44k above 2016.

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    Looks like the red line 'could' end up sitting with all those pink ones?

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  • Location: just behind Epsom Racecourse and the center of York
  • Location: just behind Epsom Racecourse and the center of York
    1 minute ago, Turnedoutniceagain said:

    Snowing in Yorkshire i hear

    Must be on top of the moors or its dandruff blowing in the wind!!!

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
    2 hours ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

    Latest single day NSIDC extent increase is the largest on record, at +391k, giving a 5 day total of 1.246 million km2.
    No longer the lowest on record now, 44k above 2016.

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    Masie has gone ' berserk' today with its largest increase by a long way.

    Total is now 7,708K Km2 and increase of no less than @@@@+481K Km2 @@@@@@. 2020 is now in second position, being 200K Km2 above 2016.

    2012  and 2007 are now within 500K Km2 and at the current average rate could be caught by early next week.

    The gains (as I suggested would happen last week) were centred along the Russian Coastline with  gains  in Chukchi (+44K) and Kara added (+20K).

    BUT they look tiny when compared against the amazing increases that were recorded in the ESS(+122K) and particularly     >>>>>> LAPTEV (+221K). <<<<<<< 

    I have never seen a single area over +150K before, so the over 200K was really incredible, indicating a remarkable flash freeze.. 

    Any shipping in the area must have witnessed a remarkable scene appearing around them.

    The US based sea areas added their normal gains to the day with Baffin(+39K), CAA(+22K) Hudson(+12K).

    CAB (Central) gained (+21K) whilst Greenland didn't want to come to the party with (-20K).

    Why did it happen to day?

    IMO... 

    Can I suggest that the excess heat in the oceans accumulated during the summer and autumn so far has now been lost (at least at the surface)..

    This despite one of the worst  summers for ice on record caused by weather,  with an anticyclone anchored over the pole in the key insolation periods of mid summer, followed by a vigorous cyclone to stir it up a bit, and then a full easterly gale for 7days just 2 weeks ago, which brought very mild air to the area. (which did indeed raise the SST up to 4 degrees above normal as recorded by buoys in the Laptev area), within the last month..

    index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3299.0;a     (Thanks to ASIF)

    Also, the 2M temps have been way above normal over the Arctic itself (above 80 degrees lat,, see below) and has remained consistently high over the last 2months as shown by the DMI graphic below. It indicates that it is not going to be as easy as many have assumed for the ice to be further reduced in the Autumn and Winter periods..

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    I am not aware that the last week has been especially great for ice to form. 

    So...  cooling (heat loss) does still does have to be considered when thinking about Arctic ice retention.. 

    MIA

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  • Location: N.E. Scotland South Side Moray Firth 100m asl
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    12 minutes ago, Midlands Ice Age said:

    Masie has gone ' berserk' today with its largest increase by a long way.

    Total is now 7,708K Km2 and increase of no less than @@@@+481K Km2 @@@@@@. 2020 is now in second position, being 200K Km2 above 2016.

    2012  and 2007 are now within 500K Km2 and at the current average rate could be caught by early next week.

    The gains (as I suggested would happen last week) were centred along the Russian Coastline with  gains  in Chukchi (+44K) and Kara added (+20K).

    BUT they look tiny when compared against the amazing increases that were recorded in the ESS(+122K) and particularly     >>>>>> LAPTEV (+221K). <<<<<<< 

    I have never seen a single area over +150K before, so the over 200K was really incredible, indicating a remarkable flash freeze.. 

    Any shipping in the area must have witnessed a remarkable scene appearing around them.

    The US based sea areas added their normal gains to the day with Baffin(+39K), CAA(+22K) Hudson(+12K).

    CAB (Central) gained (+21K) whilst Greenland didn't want to come to the party with (-20K).

    Why did it happen to day?

    IMO... 

    Can I suggest that the excess heat in the oceans accumulated during the summer and autumn so far has now been lost.

    This despite one of the worst  summers for ice on record caused by weather,  with an anticyclone anchored over the pole in the key insolation periods of mid summer, followed by a vigorous cyclone to stir it up a bit, and then a full easterly gale for 7days just 2 weeks ago, which brought very mild air to the area. (which did indeed raise the SST up to 4 degrees above normal as recorded by buoys in the Laptev area), within the last month..

    index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3299.0;a     (Thanks to ASIF)

    Also, the 2M temps have been way above normal over the Arctic itself (above 80 degrees lat,, see below) and has remained consistently high over the last 2months as shown by the DMI graphic below. It indicates that it is not going to be as easy as many have assumed for the ice to be further reduced in the Autumn and Winter periods..

    image.thumb.png.ee323b4350e3126f306de0b287a099d7.png

    I am not aware that the last week has been especially great for ice to form. 

    So...  cooling (heat loss) does still does have to be considered when thinking about Arctic ice retention.. 

    MIA

    Hi MIA any chance that severely reduced  air pollution round the world especially from aircraft is allowing more heat to be radiated to space especially in  almost zero daylight areas. Its maybe only a very insignificant effect. if any.

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
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    1 minute ago, Northernlights said:

    Hi MIA any chance that severely reduced  air pollution round the world especially from aircraft is allowing more heat to be radiated to space especially in  almost zero daylight areas. Its maybe only a very insignificant effect. if any.

    Thanks...

     It may have had something  to do with it.. But the heat loss seems to have suddenly occurred. 

    Can I pass? 

    (I do not want to get involved in a CC discussion -  I have tried to keep to just the facts of the situation),

    MIA 

     

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