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4 hours ago, Froze were the Days said:

Well tropical maritime then - by and large it seems to come from a tropical direction (certainly this month) most of the time either continental or maritime.

All very normal for the time of year.

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OK @damianslaw you've tempted me into it.  Mike's forecast for summer 2020: In my view, the building blocks are already built now given the exceptional spring we have had this year in the UK

Beautiful noctilucent clouds this evening here in Prague 

This seems to be a facet of our changing climate - in the 1970s and 1980s, it took exceptional synoptics like those of late June 1976 to get temperatures approaching the mid-30s Celsius, and most heat

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2 hours ago, mountain shadow said:

I was being sarcastic.  

Just highlighting the constant rain over here. 

Oh okay. I always struggle to detect sarcasm on the internet.

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Well, storm Erin is certainly making her presence known here, strong and very gusty winds, must be gusting to at least 50 mph. Wonder what it’s like on the west coast? Or down in the south east.....?

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18 minutes ago, Froze were the Days said:

Nope!...that's why we're +3c above the CET 1961-90 series, not really normal.

1961-1990 is not representative of modern times.....

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2 hours ago, MP-R said:

All very normal for the time of year.

No its not. The normal has changed, we are experiencing yearly changes in our weather the likes of which are breaking records nearly every year now,not just here but across the globe. Normal has gone. The figures no not lie.

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3 minutes ago, East Lancs Rain said:

1961-1990 is not representative of modern times.....

60years climatically  is very representative, its just your perception that is not relative. 

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7 minutes ago, markyo said:

60years climatically  is very representative, its just your perception that is not relative. 

Well whatever. I like the warmer weather, you don’t, each to their own.

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1 minute ago, East Lancs Rain said:

Well whatever. I like the warmer weather, you don’t, each to their own.

Very true...that's what makes us all different....thankfully!

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6 minutes ago, markyo said:

No its not. The normal has changed, we are experiencing yearly changes in our weather the likes of which are breaking records nearly every year now,not just here but across the globe. Normal has gone. The figures no not lie.

August 1976, 1995, 2003 were much hotter than normal too. Weather has and always will bring extremes. Norway had rare July snow this year might I add also. Eastern Europe has had a very cool August too I believe. We need to have an open view of climate, and not just cherry pick. Where one place is hotter, somewhere else will be cooler. E and W Europe usually seesaw each other. Back in 2012 we had a very cool summer, whilst Eastern Europe was breaking records. 

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33 minutes ago, Froze were the Days said:

Nope!...that's why we're +3c above the CET 1961-90 series, not really normal.

That's thanks to tropical continental air earlier in the month. Tropical maritime air is nowhere near as warm in summer.

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1 hour ago, East Lancs Rain said:

1961-1990 is not representative of modern times.....

Well its a very good tool if you want to keep track of 'today' and what happened years back...MetO use this on their CET tracker.

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1 hour ago, AderynCoch said:

Tropical maritime air is nowhere near as warm in summer.

Really!?! are you talking about your country?...it is in the south and south east of the UK, 26c here yesterday and you feel the humidity at this time of year with the highest SST's.

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2 hours ago, markyo said:

No its not. The normal has changed, we are experiencing yearly changes in our weather the likes of which are breaking records nearly every year now,not just here but across the globe. Normal has gone. The figures no not lie.

There’s nothing we can do about it.

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Current very windy weather a sign of an active hurricane/tropical storm season ahead. 

Turning into a very mixed summer with a bit of everything, bursts of intense heat, thundery outbreaks, heavy outbreaks of rain, dull cloudy cool conditions, but one ingredient missing - pleasant sunny dry days, maxima in low-mid 20s type days.. oh we had them in May I forgot! Watch them return in September!

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Summer 2020 definitely reminds me of summer 2004, warmer than average June and August but a somewhat cooler than average July. The July in both summers being particularly poor especially the first half.  Both summers noted for their thunder although SE parts won't agree! 

Both summers had summer gales.  This August doesn't look like it will be as wet the August of 2004 

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4 hours ago, Froze were the Days said:

Nope!...that's why we're +3c above the CET 1961-90 series, not really normal.

Yep. Continental and tropical maritime influence is all very normal for the time of year.

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8 hours ago, reef said:

Quite a surreal feeling day today, its actually rather warm at 22.7C but the wind has been gusting up to 51mph. Feels very strange to have a 'warm' wind.

Last years record breaking hot spell I believe was accompanied by a breezy day or two, I remember the wind blowing at 15mph and the temperature here was 32c...could have been in the Eastern Med.

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4 hours ago, East_England_Stormchaser91 said:

August 1976, 1995, 2003 were much hotter than normal too. Weather has and always will bring extremes. Norway had rare July snow this year might I add also. Eastern Europe has had a very cool August too I believe. We need to have an open view of climate, and not just cherry pick. Where one place is hotter, somewhere else will be cooler. E and W Europe usually seesaw each other. Back in 2012 we had a very cool summer, whilst Eastern Europe was breaking records. 

LOL, you are the one who is cherry picking. 

 

The average temperatures are going up all over the world and that's a fact. And this has been going on for at least a couple of decades. 

A snowfall in June in Norway or wherever really doesn't mean anything at all. 

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7 minutes ago, mathematician said:

LOL, you are the one who is cherry picking. 

 

The average temperatures are going up all over the world and that's a fact. And this has been going on for at least a couple of decades. 

A snowfall in June in Norway or wherever really doesn't mean anything at all. 

Actually it does.

People will always refuse to acknowledge the colder periods of weather. Edmonton for example has been below average all year, according to Cheeky, and they’ve had a very poor summer. If that part of the world gets minus 20 or 30 this coming winter, and we happen to have 10-13c weather again, some folk on here will tell us the mild weather is alarming.

We live in a temperate zone, and while there appears to be a warming, there’s also a possibility some areas will become colder in the next few years. 

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2 hours ago, Weather-history said:

Summer 2020 definitely reminds me of summer 2004, warmer than average June and August but a somewhat cooler than average July. The July in both summers being particularly poor especially the first half.  Both summers noted for their thunder although SE parts won't agree! 

Both summers had summer gales.  This August doesn't look like it will be as wet the August of 2004 

I don't remember August 2004 having any notable heatwave, just consistently warm and wet with high overnight minima?

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39 minutes ago, mathematician said:

LOL, you are the one who is cherry picking. 

 

The average temperatures are going up all over the world and that's a fact. And this has been going on for at least a couple of decades. 

A snowfall in June in Norway or wherever really doesn't mean anything at all. 

This isn’t the first time the average temperature has gone up before is it? I’m pretty sure the averages have been constantly oscillating long before human existence. How am I cherry picking? I’m not denying that we’ve seen some records being broken at the top end of the scale. But What about the coldest December for over 100 years back in 2010? Pretty sure we were told in the 90’s that we were past proper winter cold spells. Snow is very unusual for Norway in July and as above, parts of Canada have been very cool this summer. Did you not know that Australia has seen records broken with cold back in May aswell? 

I think to generalise that the normal has gone is a bit over the top. This year overall has been relatively normal. Infact, this is the first decent August we have had since 2003 I believe. Most August’s of recent times have been abysmally cool. 

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54 minutes ago, Don said:

I don't remember August 2004 having any notable heatwave, just consistently warm and wet with high overnight minima?

There was a short hot spell around the 5th that lasted for a few days. The wet was most likely from thunderstorms and some nights not dropping below 19C

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A very autumnal look to the close today...lots of yellow leaves on the ground - which was a bit of a contrast to the mild breezy weather we had. Certainly not something I’m accustomed to in August in the SE 

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