COVID-19 Pandemic

[kold weather]

4 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Hmm......many on here have been using terms like

"everyone else in Europe are doing things differently than the UK. Why are we not following suit?"

So, the truth is that "everyone in Europe" is NOT doing things differently.

Great, one out of about 100 world wide!

Anyway even the UK is now moving away from that tactic, though kind of in the middle of no man's land in terms of policy, but definate movement towards the euro model of suppression.

[Skullzrulerz]

 

[Summer Sun]

London faces new coronavirus clampdown in bid to limit outbreak deaths

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Ministers are ready to order a “harder” London-specific clampdown soon on socialising to limit deaths from a looming surge in coronavirus cases. Plans are being drawn up for regional responses to a spiralling Covid-19 epidemic which is already starting in the capital amid fears that hospitals will struggle to cope.

An urgent review of whether to close schools is being carried out. So far the advice has been to avoid such a move, but if it were to happen it is most likely to be imposed in London first. Italian and French-style lockdowns have also not been ruled out but the Government has so far shied away from taking such draconian, economy-crippling steps. 

The outbreak in the UK is now heavily concentrated in London. As of yesterday, 480 out of 1,543 confirmed cases were in the capital, with a further 173 in the South East. 

In a sign of the huge pressure on health services, the London Ambulance Service had its busiest day ever yesterday. LAS chief executive Garrett Emmerson said: “We are seeing unprecedented demand for both our 999 and 111 services at the moment.

Yesterday was the busiest day ever for our 999 service with nearly 8,000 calls. Unfortunately, the huge volumes of 111 calls we are receiving from people who could potentially use the website nhs.uk/coronavirus means that more vulnerable Londoners who may not have the ability to access the internet, for instance older people, are struggling to get through.”

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/london-coronavirus-clampdown-covid-19-a4389451.html

[Summer Sun]

Just now, Skullzrulerz said:

 

Fair drop from yesterday. Wasn't it 30?

[Bristawl Si]

3 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

Netherland have still closed schools, cafes, etc. So yeah, still different

Yeah, just a little. But obviously realising the herd immunity approach will be most effective, longer term. 

[northwestsnow]

For any  diabetics out there im trying to find out if the condition is the primary issue, or the medication?

Im led to believe the severity of the individuals diabetes is also important, ie who advanced or severe it is..

[Bristawl Si]

Scandinavians also have mixed approaches at this time:

While Norway and Denmark announced school closures on Thursday to stem the spread of coronavirus, Sweden said it would keep schools open, a decision made in the same day that testing in Stockholm was restricted to the sick and elderly.

Education Minister Anna Ekstrom said the government will not order schools to shut down but that it will bring in new rules that give heads of schools the right to determine, on their own, how to deal with the coronavirus epidemic, 

[matty40s]

Our local garage...

[kold weather]

3 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

Fair drop from yesterday. Wasn't it 30?

The numbers for now on will reflect only hospital cases. So 12 admitted to hospital in Wales more or less.

[Skullzrulerz]

5 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

Fair drop from yesterday. Wasn't it 30?

I think it was 34? Though it's only going to be hospital cases till testing goes out 

[Dreckly]

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[Captain Shortwave]

5 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Yeah, just a little. But obviously realising the herd immunity approach will be most effective, longer term. 

I think this is getting very blurred now. Obviously the end game is removing the virus out of human circulation. But there are vast differences between mitigation and suppression, both obviously want the same end game. Just one is literally aiming to take a couple of months and one will probably take as long as it takes to make a vaccine.
Not surprise to see most countries trying to suppress the outbreaks at the moment, that isn’t to say that the mitigation idea won’t be revisited later on once we process more information on this virus.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Captain Shortwave

[kold weather]

3 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Yeah, just a little. But obviously realising the herd immunity approach will be most effective, longer term. 

But that is certainly not what the scientific consensus is though now? Even more so now that the Imperial college report has shown that surpression is much better than mitigation. 

The caveat to that is whether s country can cope with doing this long term. Maybe a factor for them?

[Snipper]

7 minutes ago, kold weather said:

Great, one out of about 100 world wide!

Anyway even the UK is now moving away from that tactic, though kind of in the middle of no man's land in terms of policy, but definate movement towards the euro model of suppression.

So we should follow the herd?

[feb1991blizzard]

Just now, northwestsnow said:

Free of it or not  my partner has to go to work so there is an increased chance she will bring it home, hence i would be better off alone.

I might have to ship her off to her sisters for a while, this is all very complex.

I am now in the same bracket as the elderly you see.

To be honest you're other query about diabetes - i would ask someone in the medical profession, i know i am the worlds worst for self-diagnosing and using medicine i prescribe to myself or read about on the internet but that's my choice and my risk -  i would follow the moderator's advice earlier and seek proper advice for anything like that.

[northwestsnow]

The herd immunity is essentially Darwin,the strongest survive.

Bleak for the elderly and frail.

[alexisj9]

16 minutes ago, summer blizzard said:

Does asymptotic mean nothing at all?

Yes, they carry the virus, and she'd, but do not get ill. 

[Tom Quintavalle]

As I stated earlier, my Wife is a Psoriasis sufferer.

A very unpleasant associated condition is, Ankylosing Spondylitis.

A very exotic name, for a very painful Arthritic condition, which causes long term inflammation in the joints, of the spine. Those with this condition can also experience pain in the shouders, hips. Also, eye and bowel problems.

My Wife has experienced all of these symptoms but I'm very relieved she didn't succumb to the very persistent and almost bullying Rheumatologist, she saw recently at an Appointment at Orpington Hospital.

This Rheumatologist insisted that my Wife started on a Drug called, Methotrexate.

This Drug is prescribed for severe cases of Psoriasis and Rheumatoid Arthritis. Methotrexate has some very serious side effects and can weaken your Immune System, leaving you prone to all sorts of nasty infections.

Fortunately, my Wife had the nous to do a bit of research about this Drug, before consenting to take it.

So, Colette prefers to put up with the pain, rather than take Methotrexate.

Regards,

Tom.    

[BornFromTheVoid]

People with blood type A may be more vulnerable to coronavirus: study

WWW.SCMP.COM

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Preliminary research in Wuhan and Shenzhen indicates patients with the blood group had a higher rate of infection and tended to get more severe symptoms.

 

[Captain Shortwave]

6 minutes ago, northwestsnow said:

The herd immunity is essentially Darwin,the strongest survive.

Bleak for the elderly and frail.

Herd immunity is incredibly successful at protecting the vulnerable... for some viral strains. Ones, which are basically the same as they were hundreds of years ago. But immunity has mostly come from large immunisation programmes (Think polio, measles) and have never been achieved through a pandemic (To be fair it has never been tried).

Edited March 17, 2020 by Captain Shortwave

[Snow Queen one]

A plus of all this closure though is a big drop in fractures and limb breaks from drink and sport activities.  Less people driving on the road so should be less accidents.  So fewer people taking up space in hospitals.

There are negatives too.  What about the old people who live alone and have a fall.  How long will they be stuck in their home before someone helps them? 

Life is going to be strange

[Wiltshire_snow_lover]

 

[Stabilo19]

7 minutes ago, Snipper said:

So we should follow the herd?

Of course.

What are you suggesting? We take a stand and defy everyone else? Rule Britannia!? Our ship is sinking with the current strategy.

[Snipper]

1 minute ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

People with blood type A may be more vulnerable to coronavirus: study

WWW.SCMP.COM

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Preliminary research in Wuhan and Shenzhen indicates patients with the blood group had a higher rate of infection and tended to get more severe symptoms.

 

But isn’t blood type A one of the most common groups?

[summer blizzard]

1 minute ago, Captain Shortwave said:

Herd immunity is incredibly successful at protecting the vulnerable... for some viral strains. One which are basically the same as they were hundreds of years ago. But immunity has mostly come from large immunisation programmes (Think polio, measles) and have never been achieved through a pandemic (To be fair it has never been tried).

Did we not get herd immunity for the Spanish Flu.