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  • Location: Liphook
  • Location: Liphook
5 minutes ago, DAVID SNOW said:

I would think unlimited money and expertise is being used globally to create a vaccine.

My opinion FWIW, is that a vaccine is not months away(12 to 18) but much closer.

Apparently the problem is there is so only far we can condense it because of the time required to go through the various human trial phases to make sure it works and doesn't cause unexpected side effects. you on't know that straight away. Also, someone posted yesterday that there will be several human trial phases, a small one, then a larger one, then maybe one more after that on certain demographics. Then there will be a period of time where they will need to make the vaccines. For the general public who are not key workers 12 months seems reasonable from the experts I've heard talk about it.

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  • Location: Bedfordshire/Herts border 40m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, crisp, calm and sunny
  • Location: Bedfordshire/Herts border 40m asl
5 hours ago, swebby said:

This on the bbc.

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The move comes as supermarkets continue to limit the sales of certain products to avoid them selling out.

That seems a really good idea (providing the store is cleaned etc before opening).  Will reassure vulnerable groups that are anxious about mixing with people and do not have access to online shopping.

Good for Iceland!!  I asked one of the Tesco Managers to start an Older Adult only shopping hour after I made the mistake of going into Tesco at Royston this afternoon and saw older adults wandering around in distress. (don’t use the term ‘elderly’ as patients don’t like it - my clinical background is mental health, with specialisms in victims of torture and Older Adults - no direct correlation intent I should add).  
I gave one frail lady something from my trolley that had been the last remaining item on shelf when I overheard her asking a member of staff if they had any more - and she cried.  
The staff member was almost in tears too, saying that was the first decent thing he’d seen today; that this morning was the worst day of the recent panic buying with Managers joining the floor staff to ‘throw all our stock into the shelves as fast as we could’ as customers pushed each other and the staff out of the way, totally ignoring written signs saying only a certain number of items per customer. 

Despite its very large size, the store looked as though a swarm of locusts had gone through. Predictably no toilet paper or tissues but the cereal aisle was bare, except for a few packets of the ‘more healthy’ options such as Grape-nuts (look and taste like cardboard that has gone through a shredder). Hardly any milk. No fresh chicken, very little fresh red meat and these are huge fridge sections!  No bread flour. No soap . No paracetamol. Nor ibuprofen. Hardly any frozen food. tea and coffee shelves almost empty.  Barely any laundry items. No dishwasher tablets.  No lavatory cleaner or bleach - are they drinking it!!?
Where are people storing all this stuff? 

Apologies, rant over.

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  • Location: howth,east dublin city
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21 minutes ago, Azazel said:

Can somebody please give me some hope and optimism regarding this, this evening.

Im really not doing too well.

Im sure everything will pan out soon enough and I hope the guy with t e wee stain in the office decides to quit so you can go back to a normal workplace .Happy belated birthday and sorry you missed it with your parents so cheer up things will improve

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.

This toliet paper issue has totally baffled me entirely.

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Why the Run on Toilet Paper?

How do you get the public to run to the store to stock up on supplies before a quarantine? Use Operation Mockingbird, but for good purposes. The media starts reporting before the fact that stores are selling out of toilet paper. This creates a self fulfilling prophesy. People run to the stores to stock up on toilet paper without even realized why they needed it. Meanwhile, they also stock up on food, water and other supplies. Now they are prepared for what is coming without even knowing they did it.

Why toilet paper? If the media had reported that they were running out of canned foods or dried goods, bottled water even...people would have rushed to the store to stock up on these specific survival items until they were all sold out, leaving others without these things for the quarantine. So they picked something benign like TP so that people would buy out something non critical while stocking up on the assortment of other goods.

Stores are out of toilet paper...bleach and maybe hand wipes...but not out of food. Went to the store today and saw customer after customer with canned goods, dried goods and bottled water in their buggies. No one was hoarding these items. Some bought chips, some bought hamburger helper. Each person bought what they needed to stock up on, even though the store was sold out of TP. The plan worked.

They got the entire nation to stock up on essential supplies and prepare themselves to bunker down for the storm and all it took was saying that there will be no more toilet paper.

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  • Location: Cheltenham
  • Location: Cheltenham

I don't tend to post much here, so be gentle  I find myself in a funny position.

My sister and Mum are nurses.. fairly battle hardened. Their attitude is they'll take what's coming head on and to not let it worry you. I am very proud of them and they reassure me.

On the other hand, my partner is a bit of a worrier. She's reading it wall to wall coverage and it's not doing her any good. I feel like I have to stay one step ahead of the news so I can reassure when the "chat" happens each evening. Oh to be my 3 year old or 9 month old.. ignorance really is bliss.

Anyway, I am working from home tomorrow for the foreseeable as are my entire company. My fuel bill is going to come down somewhat!

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  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire
  • Weather Preferences: Sunshine, convective precipitation, snow, thunderstorms, "episodic" months.
  • Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire
17 minutes ago, Man With Beard said:

I'm confused though - if herd immunity wasn't the goal, why not take more drastic action sooner? The two arguments I heard against lock downs were either doubts if it could hold (a fair point), or the fact that the virus would simply return without herd immunity? 

Having a lockdown later on surely will achieve neither eradication nor herd immunity, meaning we lose twice. 

If the argument is have a lockdown to save NHS capacity, this would indicate a policy dictated by allowing the maximum amount of strain on the NHS. That does not address the wider problem in any way, and begs the question of why not, then, just do the absolute maximum right now to minimize the impact on the NHS, if that indeed is the main guiding principle right now? 

The only explanation for why the government is not going gung-ho, to me, remains a target of herd immunity. Otherwise, why not do more? 

I am guessing that they were hoping to slow the rate of increase and try to push more cases into late spring and summer (when these viruses tend to be less deadly and prolific and the NHS tends to be under less pressure) and to reduce the risk of there being a large second wave in the autumn, but it hasn't worked as planned because the virus and its social knock-on effects have escalated more rapidly than expected. 

The Imperial College paper does warn that if suppression measures (i.e. the kind of large-scale lockdowns seen in China and Italy) are relaxed significantly there is likely to be a substantial rebound, especially in the form of a "second wave", and so from a "saving lives" point of view it recommends that they be applied for as long as it takes to get a vaccine widely distributed - that is, if their populations and economies can withstand that, a big "if"!  I get a sense that our government is, rightly or wrongly, favouring that paper's "mitigation" strategies, which are less likely to cripple the economy but risk allowing somewhat more fatalities to happen.

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  • Location: Crymych, Pembrokeshire. 150m asl
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  • Location: Crymych, Pembrokeshire. 150m asl

I'm seeing double now having spent a good hour catching up with all the excellent posts on this brilliant thread.  Can't stay awake any longer - must get some sleep - but as it seems I won't be going anywhere for a while I expect to see you all again tomorrow!  Have a good night and sleep well....don't let the virus's bite!

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  • Location: Liphook
  • Location: Liphook

Macron is using 100,000 police officers to ensure the lockdown is obeyed.

Also, Dow Jones down nearly 13% today, one of the biggest ever falls....so much for the interest cut helping!! Trump has seen nearly the 3 years of rises wiped out in 3 weeks.

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  • Location: Tyrone
  • Location: Tyrone
1 minute ago, kold weather said:

Macron is using 100,000 police officers to ensure the lockdown is obeyed.

Also, Dow Jones down nearly 13% today, one of the biggest ever falls....so much for the interest cut helping!! Trump has seen nearly the 3 years of rises wiped out in 3 weeks.

Meanwhile trump says they have COVID-19 under control.

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  • Location: Rotherhithe, 5.8M ASL
  • Location: Rotherhithe, 5.8M ASL
39 minutes ago, Azazel said:

Can somebody please give me some hope and optimism regarding this, this evening.

Im really not doing too well.

You’re reading the wrong thread it will get much worse in U.K. before it gets better. It will eventually end! 

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  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
14 minutes ago, kold weather said:

Apparently the problem is there is so only far we can condense it because of the time required to go through the various human trial phases to make sure it works and doesn't cause unexpected side effects. you on't know that straight away. Also, someone posted yesterday that there will be several human trial phases, a small one, then a larger one, then maybe one more after that on certain demographics. Then there will be a period of time where they will need to make the vaccines. For the general public who are not key workers 12 months seems reasonable from the experts I've heard talk about it.

You may be surprised then, unprecedented times often leads to unprecedented results. History proves this.

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  • Location: St rads Dover
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11 minutes ago, Donegal said:

I'm shocked...WHO knew.. 

 

Unbelievable. 

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  • Location: St rads Dover
  • Weather Preferences: Snow, T Storms.
  • Location: St rads Dover
6 minutes ago, Daniel* said:

This is the world we live in! 

 

That's nuts, I wonder if the employer has broken a law. 

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  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny and hot.
  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.
3 minutes ago, Daniel* said:

This is the world we live in! 

 

This is going to be a major problem.

The ones who can work from home, or have large savings, are very fortunate indeed. Sadly, most can't work from home. How can you ask someone who works in John Lewis to work from home? How can you ask a cleaner to stay at home? The vast majority in this country don't have office jobs that enable them to work from home. And even if they do, many employers won't allow them to, and just shut completely for a time.

The cases in this virus will be very high, the strain on the NHS will be high also. The deaths in the elderly will be tragic. But the effect on people's lives financially (debt, bankrupt, homelessness) will arguably be even more damaging than the virus itself.

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  • Location: Liphook
  • Location: Liphook
Just now, DAVID SNOW said:

You may be surprised then, unprecedented times often leads to unprecedented results. History proves this.

I made that point on Sunday because I thought the same as you, and the response from people who know alot more about it generally said there is no way it can go much physically faster without cutting dangerous corners and risking introducing a cure that is more dangerous than the disease (as history shows, that does happen from time to time!). According to a report I was looking at today, they said even 12 months is insanely fast even without any hitches.

However your right, I'm sure there is a strong will for it, and the money for it would set a company up a very long time.

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  • Location: Bedfordshire/Herts border 40m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, crisp, calm and sunny
  • Location: Bedfordshire/Herts border 40m asl
1 hour ago, alexisj9 said:

I think its cause we haven't the equipment to put in them, however may be the army has resources, will we use private hospitals, I'm sure they have equipment to. 

Unfortunately private hospitals aren’t set up to provide critical care; they have to have ventilators, although not many - it’s more the beds that my NHS colleagues are procuring, along with the infrastructure and staff that go with those beds.  Expecting that private hospitals will have to cancel elective surgical procedures, although not yet certain of the with effect from date as wasn’t in work today. 
Should add that the ventilators the private hospitals have will also be required.

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  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny and hot.
  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.
Just now, Summer Sun said:

 

When this many celebrties are contracting it, you know it's very widespread.

I would say that an estimate of 50,000 may even be very low.

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What was I saying about there being a run on the supermarkets tonight?

This is my local Sainsbury's in Nantwich, Cheshire East.

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  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth
  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth
2 minutes ago, matty007 said:

When this many celebrties are contracting it, you know it's very widespread.

I would say that an estimate of 50,000 may even be very low.

That would be sort of good news considering the death ratios. Let's hope this is what the government's new testing plans discover soon! 

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  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny and hot.
  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.

If the governemnt is going to go the route of major lockdowns (still not that likely) than they absoutely HAVE to subsedise those many people who can't work from home, and are self emplyed. They have to ensure that everyone is still able to pay rent, and buy food.
 

If they don't do that, the country would go to ruins and the effects would last many many years, and not simply a year or less from the actual virus itself.

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  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny and hot.
  • Location: Saffron Walden, near Cambridge.
5 minutes ago, Paul Faulkner said:

What was I saying about there being a run on the supermarkets tonight?

This is my local Sainsbury's in Nantwich, Cheshire East.

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That is shocking, frankly.

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