COVID-19 Pandemic

[Zak M]

Valencia football player Ezequiel Garay has tested positive for the coronavirus.

[Snipper]

14 minutes ago, Spikecollie said:

What I don't fully understand is the closure of Centres Commerciales. Take our Carrefour in Limoges. There is the food shop, which presumably stays open, but all the small peripheral shops will be closed. What conceivable difference will that make to the situation. What's happening with DIY stores? That's something my neighbour asked this morning. People are just confused by these measures and confusion is not what we want...

What is the difference between that and the shops in the high street?

[Beverley Lass]

11 minutes ago, ciel said:

A new policy regarding testing for Covid19 has apparently been announced by the Scottish Govt. this morning. Testing will be carried out in GP surgeries for people presenting with symptoms. I can’t find this advice via a search on the internet, but a Scottish prof, Devi Sridhar, on BBC ‘Politics Scotland’ confirmed and welcomed this policy change but would like it extended to those self-isolating at home. In her opinion, testing and contact tracing were essential in order to break the chain of transmission

Covid-19 testing expanded to monitor virus spread

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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Surveillance testing is extended at GP surgeries but there is no routine testing of people with minor symptoms.

A piece here on the BBC page if that adds anything.   

[Spikecollie]

1 minute ago, Snipper said:

What is the difference between that and the shops in the high street?

I have no idea, Snipper, and I suspect no one in authority has one either. It's the old scenario of being seen to be doing something and that is not a basis for rational decision making. Everything regarding decision making at state level just seems to be so reactive and hence ineffective.

[nick sussex]

Why would you want more testing at GP surgeries . 

Isn’t that risky. How will that be done without putting patients there at risk.

[Beverley Lass]

1 minute ago, nick sussex said:

Why would you want more testing at GP surgeries . 

Isn’t that risky. How will that be done without putting patients there at risk.

That was my first thought, aren't the infected or likely infected meant to be kept away from the GP surgeries.
Wonder if they can set up an isolated room for such testing ?

[Spikecollie]

Just now, nick sussex said:

Why would you want more testing at GP surgeries . 

Isn’t that risky. How will that be done without putting patients there at risk.

So, I feel feverish and ill and suspect I might have COVID-19. I go down to my GP surgery and sit in a crowded waiting room with men, women and children of all ages. Or are we going to see COVID-19 pods springing up in the car parks outside surgeries? Where is the logic and practicality in this thinking?

[ciel]

2 minutes ago, nick sussex said:

Why would you want more testing at GP surgeries . 

Isn’t that risky. How will that be done without putting patients there at risk.

There will be protocols I would expect.

[Man With Beard]

4 minutes ago, matty007 said:

100% true.

Even if the lockdowns in China etc prove to be somewhat inaffective at stopping the virus (which I think they will) at least they can say that they were desisive and proactive. You can't dally with a virus, you must make a choice, and act upon it.

Exactly.

Another problem I foresee is that although the government's approach may be correct scientifically (though arguable), I just doubt it is going to hold politically as the weeks go on, and we'll see a gradual shift from a soft to a hard approach. 

Not looking for medical advice but sore throat, slight fever, loss of energy... seeing as I have to be unwell, I'm kind of hoping I've got the virus right now so I can do my bit for the "herd" and get this over and done with, rather than go through another illness in a few weeks !

[nick sussex]

Just now, Spikecollie said:

So, I feel feverish and ill and suspect I might have COVID-19. I go down to my GP surgery and sit in a crowded waiting room with men, women and children of all ages. Or are we going to see COVID-19 pods springing up in the car parks outside surgeries? Where is the logic and practicality in this thinking?

Perhaps the full detail hasn’t been put out yet . Because they’d surely have to take huge precautions . 

[Dami]

Hubs was talking to a parent who had to cancel a planned Holiday to Thailand because they were planning to take their elderly Parent with them and were advised too and were annoyed. They went on saying that they were thinking to go to Portugal instead as it's cheap at the moment. I mean as I said, we are trying to continue - as much as possible- to carry on as normal but at the moment wouldn't be thinking of boarding a plane and quite glad Hub's company have stopped all travel.  I don't understand why you want to risk it. Then went onto say they couldn't get any loo roll. 

Do people really not understand what's going on?

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Dami

[Snipper]

16 minutes ago, matty007 said:

This is the million-dollar question. Basically, it's a head in the sand mentality. 'Oh, it won't happen again'. Disease X has long been anticipated, and this is it. As said earlier, the cost of more ventilators, masks (so important) and more medicine is but a slither of the money we spend annually on warfare. They always think we are impending war, but fail to see the real threat in their face...microbes.

Unfortunately, quite a few elderly people will pay for this mistake with their lives when there are no ventilators, no masks. Many nurses to become infected too.
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Once again a very good judgement call.  Much the same as should we all invest in snow tyres on the off chance we have a once in a blue moon snow event. All medicines and other supplies have a use by date. Heaven forbid if they were used after that.

Do we still have all them green goddesses and other old army equipment waiting to be used.

Matter  of fact it is happening now so saying ”what if” ain’t going help one little bit. The inquisition is for later.

[Spikecollie]

Just now, ciel said:

There will be protocols I would expect.

I'm still not on board. What protocols - 18h00-19h00 COVID-19 suspects only? This is madness and it will only encourage potential contaminees to visit their GP. Give me a proper protocol, line by line and I'll see if I like it but this vagueness has to stop.

[kold weather]

3 minutes ago, Spikecollie said:

So, I feel feverish and ill and suspect I might have COVID-19. I go down to my GP surgery and sit in a crowded waiting room with men, women and children of all ages. Or are we going to see COVID-19 pods springing up in the car parks outside surgeries? Where is the logic and practicality in this thinking?

I see literally 0 logic, unless they are going to convert some GP surgeries to Coronavirus centers so to speak, but even then you'd still be sitting/waiting/interacting people who might have it even if you don't.

Certainly understand why you'd want to keep testing, if only so you continue to see the trends within the global population (you'd have to scale up obviously) .

[Methuselah]

If half Scotland's population report COVID-19 symptoms, will the other half be engaged in contact-tracing? Two-and-half million simultaneous tracings? That's a heck of a lot?

[Snipper]

12 minutes ago, Beverley Lass said:

Covid-19 testing expanded to monitor virus spread

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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Surveillance testing is extended at GP surgeries but there is no routine testing of people with minor symptoms.

A piece here on the BBC page if that adds anything.   

So what is going to happen to those tested whilst the results are awaited.  Is it wise for suspected cases to present at the GO surgery in the first place?

[Snipper]

11 minutes ago, Spikecollie said:

I have no idea, Snipper, and I suspect no one in authority has one either. It's the old scenario of being seen to be doing something and that is not a basis for rational decision making. Everything regarding decision making at state level just seems to be so reactive and hence ineffective.

They can’t all snuggle up to their dog.

[AWD]

Local shops and supermarkets around my area are all manic now.  Asda Longwell Green, Tesco Brislington, Aldi Longwell Green, Tesco Keynsham and Sainsburys Emerson Green are all destroyed.  No long life stock at all. 

Car parks all full with numerous road rage incidents. Smaller, convenience stores however are modestly OK.  Still some options in those. 

Interestingly, whilst panic buying increases,  pubs/restaurants and the local ten pin bowling alley were all very busy yesterday afternoon too.  Waiter that served our table mentioned yesterday being the busiest day they've had in a long time. 

So we've got panic buying with an increase in socialising.  Only in Bristol!! 

[Spikecollie]

"Debate is raging in France about what is the better model for tackling Covid-19: the Chinese with their radical system of confinement for limiting the spread; or the UK with their “herd immunity” approach, according to which infection of a majority is inevitable – and even, if properly handled, to be welcomed.

Up until a couple of days ago, it seemed France leaned more to the “herd” philosophy. Like in Britain, the official view favoured a controlled propagation - buying time so that the wave of infections is drawn out over a long period, and hospitals are not overwhelmed.

But now suddenly, there is a shift in the other direction. First schools, then cafés, restaurants and allnon-essential shops are to be closed. It seems the government now thinks Chinese- and Italian-style draconianism is more appropriate - except when it comes to the municipal elections, which are going ahead as planned.

If it all feels a little improvised, that is perhaps excusable. We have after all never seen anything like this before." (Source: BBC live)

Are we ahead of the game or what?

[ciel]

1 minute ago, Spikecollie said:

I'm still not on board. What protocols - 18h00-19h00 COVID-19 suspects only? This is madness and it will only encourage potential contaminees to visit their GP. Give me a proper protocol, line by line and I'll see if I like it but this vagueness has to stop.

The details, I gather are published somewhere maybe on the Scottish gov. site - I haven't looked yet.

From the interview, I gathered that it's not a case of turning up and demanding a test, but one might be made available after assessment and consultation from home.

[Zak M]

 

[Spikecollie]

1 minute ago, AWD said:

Local shops and supermarkets around my area are all manic now.  Asda Longwell Green, Tesco Brislington, Aldi Longwell Green, Tesco Keynsham and Sainsburys Emerson Green are all destroyed.  No long life stock at all. 

Car parks all full with numerous road rage incidents. Smaller, convenience stores however are modestly OK.  Still some options in those. 

Interestingly, whilst panic buying increases,  pubs/restaurants and the local ten pin bowling alley were all very busy yesterday afternoon too.  Waiter that served our table mentioned yesterday being the busiest day they've had in a long time. 

So we've got panic buying with an increase in socialising.  Only in Bristol!! 

Remember all of this and we can co-write a very good horror novel because that's what it sounds like. I hope you have your essential supplies. Just stay away from the maniacs because people will turn nasty when they feel as threatened as they do.

[Snipper]

10 minutes ago, Spikecollie said:

So, I feel feverish and ill and suspect I might have COVID-19. I go down to my GP surgery and sit in a crowded waiting room with men, women and children of all ages. Or are we going to see COVID-19 pods springing up in the car parks outside surgeries? Where is the logic and practicality in this thinking?

Perhaps the doctors are going to put their holiday tents .  Just hope they don’t go back packing and the tents are so low  you  have to crawl into them.

[Snipper]

4 minutes ago, AWD said:

Local shops and supermarkets around my area are all manic now.  Asda Longwell Green, Tesco Brislington, Aldi Longwell Green, Tesco Keynsham and Sainsburys Emerson Green are all destroyed.  No long life stock at all. 

Car parks all full with numerous road rage incidents. Smaller, convenience stores however are modestly OK.  Still some options in those. 

Interestingly, whilst panic buying increases,  pubs/restaurants and the local ten pin bowling alley were all very busy yesterday afternoon too.  Waiter that served our table mentioned yesterday being the busiest day they've had in a long time. 

So we've got panic buying with an increase in socialising.  Only in Bristol!! 

Or let’s get the last one in for a while?

[Summer Sun]