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This is a good article about the hugely impressive Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty.  He was excellent at the press conference yesterday.  A reassuring presence:

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WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

Even No 10 has realised the value of the ‘impressive’ chief medical officer for England

 

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Can I just say huge credit to all those in here who have talked so openly and bravely  about issues that often don’t get discussed in these types of forums . And also to thank all the members who

Okay, there appears to be a couple of ideas circulating on the forum which people may be getting carried away with? I understand why people are running with them, because it creates the idea that

Can we drop the conspiracy and misinformation type stuff in here please - we all have a responsibility not to spread that kind of thing, as well as the virus. In the real world, wash your hands!

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1 minute ago, Summer Sun said:

Again. To little too late?

 

Yes - after the horse has bolted as usual - and this is the UK in a months or so.

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The Italian figures look grim. Serious Q posed here, from me, probably more to 'our' expats on here. Granted N Italy aint France.

If the affected regions of N Italy are mainly rural, made up of older generation, do you think there's a likelihood 'most' wouldnt even go to a local doctor for any disease symptoms, let alone relatively new CV? Would a lot of that region's population not even have access to decent healthcare 'education'? 

So, any symptoms of onset of CV they probably would've just brushed it off as cold plus fever, but by the time they got seriously ill it was too late.

The reason i mention this is where we go on The Algarve a few years ago a couple of local Portuguese guys, early 60s in age, who we'd befriended over the years in a popular bar, on many visits, passed away within a few months of each other. One had bowel cancer, the other lung cancer. Their friends had told us that neither of them had visited their doc until it was far far too late, as many in rural Portugal just dont go to the docs.

So, in rural N Italy once a fair proportion ignore symptoms then suddenly it spreads v quickly. Just a thought.

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1 hour ago, Spikecollie said:

If someone dies and it is traceable back to that selfish individual then perhaps a manslaughter charge would be in order. That might stop that kind of reprehensible behaviour. I'm not a great fan of legislating for everything but that is ludicrous.

I believe, in S.Korea, this is what is happening to that 'Church Sect' leader who would not release the contact details of folk possibly infected in his Church?

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Well, its here in Oldham now so from this moment on i will be really careful about how i travel around town,esp public transport.I will also use  disposable gloves at places like cashpoints..

People might think im going OTT but as a diabetes sufferer i cant afford to take chances.

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1 hour ago, Snipper said:

Could it be that the this is just another case of misreporting of what actually happened? Go to A&E (where the Coronavirus Pods are)?

We all know trying post on here that how ever carefully you try and say something some joker will pick holes it and or get the wrong end of the stick. 
 

Some seem so keen for others to get it wrong. 

It would be more a case of just outright lying. I agree that it could just be made up BS, and if it is, the person is simply lying then. Misreporting the A+E thing is very possible, but the paramedic shouldn't of gone to the GP in the first place?

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15 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

The Italian figures look grim. Serious Q posed here, from me, probably more to 'our' expats on here. Granted N Italy aint France.

If the affected regions of N Italy are mainly rural, made up of older generation, do you think there's a likelihood 'most' wouldnt even go to a local doctor for any disease symptoms, let alone relatively new CV? Would a lot of that region's population not even have access to decent healthcare 'education'? 

So, any symptoms of onset of CV they probably would've just brushed it off as cold plus fever, but by the time they got seriously ill it was too late.

The reason i mention this is where we go on The Algarve a few years ago a couple of local Portuguese guys, early 60s in age, who we'd befriended over the years in a popular bar, on many visits, passed away within a few months of each other. One had bowel cancer, the other lung cancer. Their friends had told us that neither of them had visited their doc until it was far far too late, as many in rural Portugal just dont go to the docs.

So, in rural N Italy once a fair proportion ignore symptoms then suddenly it spreads v quickly. Just a thought.

It's a bit different here in France. People go to the doctor for everything and you never leave without a prescription for something! My doctor has an open surgery from 0800 to 1200 on a Monday (yes, just drop in and be seen) and he often over runs by an hour or so after midday. He then does house calls between 1200 and 2000. More to the point, he always has time for you. I'm afraid I have no idea about Italy - maybe there is more of a resistance to medical intervention among the elderly - anyone know?

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15 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:

I believe, in S.Korea, this is what is happening to that 'Church Sect' leader who would not release the contact details of folk possibly infected in his Church?

I forgot  about that when I posted. Good reminder and bloody good practice!

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7 hours ago, Gray-Wolf said:

I do not know about you but the 'mixed messages' we are receiving it makes trying to stay clear of the virus doubly difficult?

As noted above with the viruses longevity on hard surfaces we are also seeing number of bits of 'advice' on how far the spread of the virus once atomised?

Our Govt. advice is the same as for Flu (a physically 'larger' beastie?) that it can spread up to 3 ft

The 'Wuhan whistleblower' told us double that a 6 ft? 

& I linked to the U.S. Coronavirus Specialist who tells us 9 ft?

Do we do as our govt. is doing and 'plan for the worst whilst hoping for the best'?

Xwell I had an opp today, so can't really plan for anything, but on the plus side I'm stuck in doors for two weeks, been looked after by the family for a change, I wonder how long that will last. 

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9 minutes ago, emax said:

Have you been using public transport prior to today?

Sparingly, now not at all..

When the chief medical officer says this has the potential to infect 8 out of 10 people its not good.(worse case maybe).

Another concern is where will sick people be treated? Italy already saying the health service is in danger of being over run, already!!

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1 minute ago, alexisj9 said:

Xwell I had an opp today, so can't really plan for anything, but on the plus side I'm stuck in doors for two weeks, been looked after by the family for a change, I wonder how long that will last. 

Get well soon and I'm sure your family will do and will continue to do, and great job of looking after you.?

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7 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

Xwell I had an opp today, so can't really plan for anything, but on the plus side I'm stuck in doors for two weeks, been looked after by the family for a change, I wonder how long that will last. 

Take care Alex ?

 

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7 hours ago, Gray-Wolf said:

I struggle with the basic Physics of that 'distance'?

We know the virus is a single strand of RNA whilst 'The Flu' is a Double Helix?

We are told the N95 respirator catches the 'Flu virus' but not the RNA of Covid-19 as it is smaller than the weave at between 20 to 50nm?

We are always taught to 'think for ourselves are we not?

Question everything?

Not just 'Blindly accept'?

I'm a Geologist by trading and so know the speeds a river needs flow at to keep certain 'clast' sizes in suspension?

The smaller they are the lower the Rivers speed needed to keep it in suspension?

is 'the air' different in its 'fluid dynamics' when it comes to keeping varying sizes of atomised particles floating in it?

My Gut tells me it's B.S. to say a particle of double the size will remain airborne as long as it's half size neighbour?  

 

Based on the laws of physics, you may have a point, we'll see in the wash one way or the other. 

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9 minutes ago, ciel said:

The assumptions in that post are totally uninformed, subjective, anecdotal  and without evidence.

 

That may be so, but the OP is asking an interesting question.  I live in a village near Llangollen in N, Wales.  We have a modern Dr’s surgery and pharmacy, both of which have signs saying basically, ‘if you think you have Covid 19, don’t come In here’.  Most of the elderly population are farming stock, and incredibly independently feisty people, who would rather trust the bible and grans remedies than the doctors.  Not that much different, perhaps, to the elders of Northern Italy.  

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22 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:

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If the UK follows the patterns across China Italy and Iran we will have people walking round carrying this bug without even knowing...

Im worried, and i think we should all be.

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4 minutes ago, northwestsnow said:

Sparingly, now not at all..

When the chief medical officer says this has the potential to infect 8 out of 10 people its not good.(worse case maybe).

Another concern is where will sick people be treated? Italy already saying the health service is in danger of being over run, already!!

Worth remembering that 8 out of 10 people that 'may' contract 'it' will only have mild symptoms.

I may well get it, but thankfully this virus isn't a threat to children.

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Just now, DAVID SNOW said:

Worth remembering that 8 out of 10 people that 'may' contract 'it' will only have mild symptoms.

I may well get it, but thankfully this virus isn't a threat to children.

20% chance of becoming seriously ill.

Thats really high.

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1 hour ago, hammerb32 said:

So the US has 137 reported cases with 11 deaths, what's peoples thoughts, is this a sign that there's a 100s of unreported cases or is this an anomaly based on the care home being very unlucky?

I think it’s both.

They’re barely testing anyone and the demographic of that nursing home will have skewed the mortality.

i genuinely feel for our American brothers and sisters. No free healthcare and barely any workers rights with regards to sick pay etc.

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Bit morbid I know   but does anyone know the average age of the people that have died?  65 plus I would have thought 

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7 hours ago, Bristle boy said:

Why close schools if, statistically, kids arent contracting it?

They do contract it but normally very mild, and can spread it spread it to others. 

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2 minutes ago, northwestsnow said:

20% chance of becoming seriously ill.

Thats really high.

Yes and if unable to get care then the 3.4% CFR goes out the window! This really is time to be concerned and we all need to try and do our bit to try and limit the spread, but it may not be that simple.

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"8 out of 10 experience mild symptoms"

Yes - for the youngsters, but this isn't true for those over 60 years old where severe symptoms are much more common. Infact, 22% of patients over 80 die..

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