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5 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:

Its no good stopping the pre-match handshakes if you still shake hands at the end - you have to ban handshakes full stop.

Isn't football a contact sport?...You can't shake hands but you can jump all over each other, during the game...?:crazy:

And are crowds about to be taught how to do contactless goal celebrations?:unsure2:

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2 minutes ago, Snipper said:

On the last couple of cruises (same cruise line) I went on they had placed bins by the toilet door with a note saying use a towel to open door. There was no medical emergency just standard practice. 

Same with us on P&O, back in December. When we arrived at Bridgetown port to embark first thing they told us was there had beem a few cases of notovirus on the cruise that was just finishing. Oh joy i thought, and my wife looked at me with trepidation. Luckily it cleared from ship after 1st 2 days, but their cleaning policies and instructions were brill.

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3 minutes ago, Snipper said:

On the last couple of cruises (same cruise line) I went on they had placed bins by the toilet door with a note saying use a towel to open door. There was no medical emergency just standard practice. 

And could you see that they were definitely clean towels?  Excellent idea but unfortunately people just don't follow stuff like that, the pub i was talking about it really isn't the landlady's fault because every time something is put up it promptly gets defaced, people don't even know how to use a toilet let alone use one hygienically, there is frequently the toilet is overflowing with Tut and s*** because people have blocked it. If people are gonna behave like animals then what can you do?

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3 minutes ago, General Cluster said:

Isn't football a contact sport?...You can't shake hands but you can jump all over each other, during the game...?:crazy:

And are crowds about to be taught how to do contactless goal celebrations?:unsure2:

Yes, i think behind closed doors is the answer tbh.

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1 hour ago, bobbarley said:

It’s interesting how China, South Korea and hopefully Italy have managed to keep the outbreaks fairly well confined to a certain geographical area.

It provides hope that with the right measures it might be contained. Hence why WHO haven’t declared a pandemic 

So why are all our 'patient zero's from China/Italy/Iran then ?

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19 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:

The problem with this washing hands message though is the actual way to wash your hands was shown in that video on youtube which was posted on here yesterday i think, where the last touch was with a paper towel to turn the tap off, a lot of public toilets just do no have the facilities to do that, a pub i drink in didn't have no paper towels or anything to dry your hands with and until recently only had the taps you have to turn, so basically the last contact would always have to be with a tap which someone else without the hygiene principles could have touched, and anyway you still have to open a door to get out so the last contact will always be with something every one else has touched, this just clearly isn't going to cut it as far as dramatically reducing the spread is concerned.

Yes, that is a fair point. I think you can get around some of that by carrying one of those little packs of disposable tissues and holding one of those in your hand as you pull the door handle so your skin doesn't touch it, and then chucking the tissue. Not as easy with taps, of course. Still, as with other things, improving hand hygiene somewhat is still better than not doing it at all.

And let's face it, if things reach the worst-case scenarios then I wonder how many pubs and restaurants will be open at all. I'm not sure what the situation is with those in Italy.

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2 minutes ago, General Cluster said:

Isn't football a contact sport?...You can't shake hands but you can jump all over each other, during the game...?:crazy:

And are crowds about to be taught how to do contactless goal celebrations?:unsure2:

Yes it’s crazy .

Let’s hope we get a lot of goalless games ! A lot of the advice is quite sensible but the football story is a bit silly .

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1 minute ago, feb1991blizzard said:

And could you see that they were definitely clean towels?  

Paper towels to dispose in a walled bin right by door. Cleaners would go in restrooms every 15/20 mins on Azura. That was our experience anyway.

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1 minute ago, feb1991blizzard said:

And could you see that they were definitely clean towels?  Excellent idea but unfortunately people just don't follow stuff like that, the pub i was talking about it really isn't the landlady's fault because every time something is put up it promptly gets defaced, people don't even know how to use a toilet let alone use one hygienically, there is frequently the toilet is overflowing with Tut and s*** because people have blocked it. If people are gonna behave like animals then what can you do?

Everything was spotless. Continual cleaning throughout the ship. Difficult to find any fault. Mind you not a cheap cruise. 

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Just now, Snipper said:

Everything was spotless. Continual cleaning throughout the ship. Difficult to find any fault. Mind you not a cheap cruise. 

Sounds like heaven, but thats the problem, that kind of attention to detail requires serious labour and quality labour too, and therefore doesn't come cheap.

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This is a reasonably positive statement from the WHO

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus✔@DrTedros

Knowing & understanding an epidemic is the first step to defeating it.
We are in unchartered territory with #COVID19. We have never before seen a respiratory pathogen that is capable of community transmission, but which can also be contained with the right measures.

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5:35 PM - Mar 2, 2020

 

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Just now, feb1991blizzard said:

Sounds like heaven, but thats the problem, that kind of attention to detail requires serious labour and quality labour too, and therefore doesn't come cheap.

Think the ratio of passengers to crew was 2 to 1. 

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Just seen the BBC rolling news. Wall to wall coverage of covid-19 obviously, would help if those presenting it had the first idea of what they are talking about.

Chief science correspondent (Fergus Walsh?) witters on about perspective saying the mortality rate is possibly 1% with 3000+ deaths. So far so good, but then compares this to TB saying that TB kills 40,000 people a day.  This might be worrying news to the WHO and TB alliance. as they have obviously missed 15 million additional deaths per year?

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Tuberculosis (TB) is a global disease, found in every country in the world. It is the leading infectious cause of death worldwide.

This is pretty basic stuff! 

TB is a killer, currently topping the table for global deaths due to disease and is worse than malaria, despite there being effective treatment. But it is 4,000 deaths per day. 

If you go and compare something, getting one of the two out by an order of magnitude is plain embarrassing. I rewound the coverage just to check that i had not miss heard, and there he was, next to a big graphic saying 40,000 a day, so he had not misspoke either. Interestingly that graphic was not referenced, the proceeding graphic stating the current number of covid-19 deaths at 3,000+ did list it's source as "John Hopkins"

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12 minutes ago, bobbarley said:

This is a reasonably positive statement from the WHO

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus✔@DrTedros

Knowing & understanding an epidemic is the first step to defeating it.
We are in unchartered territory with #COVID19. We have never before seen a respiratory pathogen that is capable of community transmission, but which can also be contained with the right measures.

1,150

5:35 PM - Mar 2, 2020

 

China only managed to clamp down on major epidemic because it carried out extreme draconian measure, and the people perhaps out of fear of Gvt obliged, the danger has not gone in China, you just cannot drop your guard with this virus, production and mobility is returning back to normal. I would say it is likely the outbreak will come in another wave maybe not as big as first. You cannot extrapolate China’s success worldwide it is incomprehensible to me, we in the west will do what they did....sacrifices will be made whatever is done. 

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Some disgraceful attempts to profit from this virus here in France .

One chemist selling a bottle of hand sanitizer gel 500ml on sale for 30 Euros!  

The government has given a further update re confirmed cases, as of 4pm , up to 212.

 

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3 minutes ago, Daniel* said:

China only managed to clamp down on major epidemic because it carried out extreme draconian measure, and the people perhaps out of fear of Gvt obliged, the danger has not gone in China, you just cannot drop your guard with this virus, production and mobility is returning back to normal. I would say it is likely the outbreak will come in another wave maybe not as big as first. You cannot extrapolate China’s success worldwide it is incomprehensible to me, we in the west will do what they did....sacrifices will be made whatever is done. 

Yes. That is what the Prof said on Sky News earlier. China did, what China can do, when it wants. People were dragged off streets, pulled from their homes, whole communities shutdown and locked down. Apples and pears come to mind.

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3 minutes ago, nick sussex said:

Some disgraceful attempts to profit from this virus here in France .

One chemist selling a bottle of hand sanitizer gel 500ml on sale for 30 Euros!  

The government has given a further update re confirmed cases, as of 4pm , up to 212.

 

Same is happening here mate - eBay and Amazon being used to sell on supermarket hand sanitizer at extortionate prices.

Back in late January Screwfix had to restrict the sale of masks as they were being bulk bought and sold on to China.

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In France a pattern is currently emerging .

The new cases seem to be overwhelmingly in the same areas .

A new story is developing though over a religious gathering in a place called La Porte Mulhouse in the Alsace region.

The authorities are now asking those who attended between the 17 and 24 February to come forward . 

Apparently there were thousands of people there over that time frame .

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1 minute ago, nick sussex said:

In France a pattern is currently emerging .

The new cases seem to be overwhelmingly in the same areas .

A new story is developing though over a religious gathering in a place called La Porte Mulhouse in the Alsace region.

Interesting, cc.Iran, cc.South Korea

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55 minutes ago, philglossop said:

Embargoed until Wednesday but FA will be releasing advice regarding pre match Respect 'hand shakes' to clubs in the National League System to take affect for games this weekend, until further notice. Will circulate to clubs & match officials and put link to advice on twitter.

 

Taken from South West Peninsula League Twitter feed. 

How about doing something truly radical and making spitting by players a bookable offence.

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4 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Interesting, cc.Iran, cc.South Korea

I certainly won’t be going to church anytime soon ! Not that I went anyway ! 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Wiltshire_snow_lover said:

 

The main question I have in regards to this is...

 

Did he get his mask?

????

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