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  • Location: Exile from Argyll
  • Location: Exile from Argyll

Interview with Italian specialist.

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Galli: «Coronavirus in Italy for weeks. Serious patients? They are too many but they can heal »

The infectious disease specialist: «An abnormal commitment to the health system. The serious clinical pictures do not suggest that the infection is recent. The virus has been around for some time "

by Margherita De Bac

ROME - As we speak on the phone to analyze the surge in Covid-19 cases , Professor Massimo Galli - primary infectious disease specialist at the «Sacco» hospital in Milan - is in the ward, forced to interrupt the conversation three times to answer his colleagues at other structures that ask to be able to send serious patients to him: «What you are listening to in real time is worth more than my answers. We are in full emergency . Yes, I am worried ».

How do you explain this surge of contagions?
“What many of us feared and hoped didn't happen happened. We find ourselves dealing with a large number of patients with important clinical pictures. Something serious is happening, not only in Italy but also in Germany and France, which could soon find themselves in our same conditions and I do not wish them. We are dealing with a rising tide of demanding patients. "

What is the cause of this explosion?
«Many serious clinical pictures and all together suggest that the infection has started to spread in the so-called red zone for quite some time. Perhaps it arrived even before the direct flights from Wuhan were suspended. It is likely that the patients in the last few days became infected two to four weeks ago and then progressively developed the respiratory symptoms on the basis of which many needed to resort to intensive procedures ".

There are those who have compared this disease to the flu. Careless approach?
«Those who tried to instill tranquility, and I understand their good intentions, had no clear knowledge of what a disease like this can cause. In forty-two years of profession I have never seen an influenza capable of upsetting the activity of the infectious disease wards and of the reanimations of an entire region among the best organized and prepared for the emergencies of Italy. No advanced health system can be set up to hospitalize many critically ill patients all together and, moreover, in isolation. Friday in Lombardy there were 85 resuscitation beds occupied by intubated patients diagnosed with Covid-19, a very important slice of those available. It should be remembered that the other reasons why a person may need a resuscitation bed don't just disappear because the coronavirus has arrived.


Did the measures prepared by the Italian government work?
“Everything that was possible from the point of view of the implemented restrictions was done, without reaching drastic Wuhan-like measures. In Lombardy, I believe that we can only continue with the restrictions adopted. Unfortunately, the virus has probably circulated far enough so that the cases in the red zone have not all emerged yet. We must go to the bottom ».

Does this mean that this disease develops slowly starting from the infection?
«The more I read the history of hospitalized cases, the more it seems to me that it resembles SARS, also in the way of the course, with the more demanding manifestations that in many cases appear 7-10 or more days from the first symptoms. It should be remembered that for each patient involved there are probably three others in which the disease runs much milder but which contribute to spread the contagion».

 

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L’infettivologo Galli: «Siamo in piena emergenza, sono preoccupato. Probabilmente dietro tutti i pazienti gravi ce ne sono altrettanti infetti ma meno gravi»

 

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

Interestingly nobody ever reports how many recovered here we go 95097 known cases 51435 recovered.

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  • Location: Manchester Deansgate.
  • Weather Preferences: Heavy disruptive snowfall.
  • Location: Manchester Deansgate.
1 minute ago, The PIT said:

Interestingly nobody ever reports how many recovered here we go 95097 known cases 51435 recovered.

So you only have just over a 50% chance of recovering then!!

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  • Location: Reigate, Surrey 105 m (top floor 120m)
  • Location: Reigate, Surrey 105 m (top floor 120m)

This is a good article about the hugely impressive Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty.  He was excellent at the press conference yesterday.  A reassuring presence:

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Even No 10 has realised the value of the ‘impressive’ chief medical officer for England

 

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  • Location: Manchester Deansgate.
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  • Location: Manchester Deansgate.
1 minute ago, Summer Sun said:

Again. To little too late?

 

Yes - after the horse has bolted as usual - and this is the UK in a months or so.

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  • Location: Stoke Gifford, nr Bristol, SGlos
  • Location: Stoke Gifford, nr Bristol, SGlos

The Italian figures look grim. Serious Q posed here, from me, probably more to 'our' expats on here. Granted N Italy aint France.

If the affected regions of N Italy are mainly rural, made up of older generation, do you think there's a likelihood 'most' wouldnt even go to a local doctor for any disease symptoms, let alone relatively new CV? Would a lot of that region's population not even have access to decent healthcare 'education'? 

So, any symptoms of onset of CV they probably would've just brushed it off as cold plus fever, but by the time they got seriously ill it was too late.

The reason i mention this is where we go on The Algarve a few years ago a couple of local Portuguese guys, early 60s in age, who we'd befriended over the years in a popular bar, on many visits, passed away within a few months of each other. One had bowel cancer, the other lung cancer. Their friends had told us that neither of them had visited their doc until it was far far too late, as many in rural Portugal just dont go to the docs.

So, in rural N Italy once a fair proportion ignore symptoms then suddenly it spreads v quickly. Just a thought.

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  • Location: Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.......
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  • Location: Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.......
1 hour ago, Spikecollie said:

If someone dies and it is traceable back to that selfish individual then perhaps a manslaughter charge would be in order. That might stop that kind of reprehensible behaviour. I'm not a great fan of legislating for everything but that is ludicrous.

I believe, in S.Korea, this is what is happening to that 'Church Sect' leader who would not release the contact details of folk possibly infected in his Church?

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  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL

Well, its here in Oldham now so from this moment on i will be really careful about how i travel around town,esp public transport.I will also use  disposable gloves at places like cashpoints..

People might think im going OTT but as a diabetes sufferer i cant afford to take chances.

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1 hour ago, Snipper said:

Could it be that the this is just another case of misreporting of what actually happened? Go to A&E (where the Coronavirus Pods are)?

We all know trying post on here that how ever carefully you try and say something some joker will pick holes it and or get the wrong end of the stick. 
 

Some seem so keen for others to get it wrong. 

It would be more a case of just outright lying. I agree that it could just be made up BS, and if it is, the person is simply lying then. Misreporting the A+E thing is very possible, but the paramedic shouldn't of gone to the GP in the first place?

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  • Location: Haute Vienne, Limousin, France (404m ASL)
  • Weather Preferences: Warm and sunny with night time t-storms
  • Location: Haute Vienne, Limousin, France (404m ASL)
15 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

The Italian figures look grim. Serious Q posed here, from me, probably more to 'our' expats on here. Granted N Italy aint France.

If the affected regions of N Italy are mainly rural, made up of older generation, do you think there's a likelihood 'most' wouldnt even go to a local doctor for any disease symptoms, let alone relatively new CV? Would a lot of that region's population not even have access to decent healthcare 'education'? 

So, any symptoms of onset of CV they probably would've just brushed it off as cold plus fever, but by the time they got seriously ill it was too late.

The reason i mention this is where we go on The Algarve a few years ago a couple of local Portuguese guys, early 60s in age, who we'd befriended over the years in a popular bar, on many visits, passed away within a few months of each other. One had bowel cancer, the other lung cancer. Their friends had told us that neither of them had visited their doc until it was far far too late, as many in rural Portugal just dont go to the docs.

So, in rural N Italy once a fair proportion ignore symptoms then suddenly it spreads v quickly. Just a thought.

It's a bit different here in France. People go to the doctor for everything and you never leave without a prescription for something! My doctor has an open surgery from 0800 to 1200 on a Monday (yes, just drop in and be seen) and he often over runs by an hour or so after midday. He then does house calls between 1200 and 2000. More to the point, he always has time for you. I'm afraid I have no idea about Italy - maybe there is more of a resistance to medical intervention among the elderly - anyone know?

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  • Location: Haute Vienne, Limousin, France (404m ASL)
  • Weather Preferences: Warm and sunny with night time t-storms
  • Location: Haute Vienne, Limousin, France (404m ASL)
15 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:

I believe, in S.Korea, this is what is happening to that 'Church Sect' leader who would not release the contact details of folk possibly infected in his Church?

I forgot  about that when I posted. Good reminder and bloody good practice!

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  • Location: St rads Dover
  • Weather Preferences: Snow, T Storms.
  • Location: St rads Dover
7 hours ago, Gray-Wolf said:

I do not know about you but the 'mixed messages' we are receiving it makes trying to stay clear of the virus doubly difficult?

As noted above with the viruses longevity on hard surfaces we are also seeing number of bits of 'advice' on how far the spread of the virus once atomised?

Our Govt. advice is the same as for Flu (a physically 'larger' beastie?) that it can spread up to 3 ft

The 'Wuhan whistleblower' told us double that a 6 ft? 

& I linked to the U.S. Coronavirus Specialist who tells us 9 ft?

Do we do as our govt. is doing and 'plan for the worst whilst hoping for the best'?

Xwell I had an opp today, so can't really plan for anything, but on the plus side I'm stuck in doors for two weeks, been looked after by the family for a change, I wonder how long that will last. 

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  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
9 minutes ago, emax said:

Have you been using public transport prior to today?

Sparingly, now not at all..

When the chief medical officer says this has the potential to infect 8 out of 10 people its not good.(worse case maybe).

Another concern is where will sick people be treated? Italy already saying the health service is in danger of being over run, already!!

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  • Location: Haute Vienne, Limousin, France (404m ASL)
  • Weather Preferences: Warm and sunny with night time t-storms
  • Location: Haute Vienne, Limousin, France (404m ASL)
1 minute ago, alexisj9 said:

Xwell I had an opp today, so can't really plan for anything, but on the plus side I'm stuck in doors for two weeks, been looked after by the family for a change, I wonder how long that will last. 

Get well soon and I'm sure your family will do and will continue to do, and great job of looking after you.

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  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
7 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

Xwell I had an opp today, so can't really plan for anything, but on the plus side I'm stuck in doors for two weeks, been looked after by the family for a change, I wonder how long that will last. 

Take care Alex

 

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  • Location: St rads Dover
  • Weather Preferences: Snow, T Storms.
  • Location: St rads Dover
7 hours ago, Gray-Wolf said:

I struggle with the basic Physics of that 'distance'?

We know the virus is a single strand of RNA whilst 'The Flu' is a Double Helix?

We are told the N95 respirator catches the 'Flu virus' but not the RNA of Covid-19 as it is smaller than the weave at between 20 to 50nm?

We are always taught to 'think for ourselves are we not?

Question everything?

Not just 'Blindly accept'?

I'm a Geologist by trading and so know the speeds a river needs flow at to keep certain 'clast' sizes in suspension?

The smaller they are the lower the Rivers speed needed to keep it in suspension?

is 'the air' different in its 'fluid dynamics' when it comes to keeping varying sizes of atomised particles floating in it?

My Gut tells me it's B.S. to say a particle of double the size will remain airborne as long as it's half size neighbour?  

 

Based on the laws of physics, you may have a point, we'll see in the wash one way or the other. 

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  • Location: Glyn Ceiriog. 197m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow in winter, good sun at other times with appropriate rain.
  • Location: Glyn Ceiriog. 197m ASL
9 minutes ago, ciel said:

The assumptions in that post are totally uninformed, subjective, anecdotal  and without evidence.

 

That may be so, but the OP is asking an interesting question.  I live in a village near Llangollen in N, Wales.  We have a modern Dr’s surgery and pharmacy, both of which have signs saying basically, ‘if you think you have Covid 19, don’t come In here’.  Most of the elderly population are farming stock, and incredibly independently feisty people, who would rather trust the bible and grans remedies than the doctors.  Not that much different, perhaps, to the elders of Northern Italy.  

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  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
22 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:

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If the UK follows the patterns across China Italy and Iran we will have people walking round carrying this bug without even knowing...

Im worried, and i think we should all be.

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  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
4 minutes ago, northwestsnow said:

Sparingly, now not at all..

When the chief medical officer says this has the potential to infect 8 out of 10 people its not good.(worse case maybe).

Another concern is where will sick people be treated? Italy already saying the health service is in danger of being over run, already!!

Worth remembering that 8 out of 10 people that 'may' contract 'it' will only have mild symptoms.

I may well get it, but thankfully this virus isn't a threat to children.

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  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
  • Location: Scouthead Oldham 295mASL
Just now, DAVID SNOW said:

Worth remembering that 8 out of 10 people that 'may' contract 'it' will only have mild symptoms.

I may well get it, but thankfully this virus isn't a threat to children.

20% chance of becoming seriously ill.

Thats really high.

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  • Location: Andover, Hampshire
  • Location: Andover, Hampshire
1 hour ago, hammerb32 said:

So the US has 137 reported cases with 11 deaths, what's peoples thoughts, is this a sign that there's a 100s of unreported cases or is this an anomaly based on the care home being very unlucky?

I think it’s both.

They’re barely testing anyone and the demographic of that nursing home will have skewed the mortality.

i genuinely feel for our American brothers and sisters. No free healthcare and barely any workers rights with regards to sick pay etc.

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