Novel Coronavirus – China

[Bristawl Si]

3 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:

Coronavirus warning from doctor freaks out This Morning viewers

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A hotel in Tenerife has gone into lockdown after a guest tested positive for the disease.

 

The same doc said exactly the same 2 weeks ago on This Morning.

[Summer Sun]

Brine Leas Academy in Nantwich has shut its sixth form which follows the closure early today of Cransley School in Northwich.

Sanbach High School, has also been affected though it remains open for now

[Flipflop]

#Iran President Rouhani addresses the nation: "This is one of the enemy’s plots to create panic to close down our society. No, we all have to work, carry on with our activities and be careful and take the sick to the hospital."

https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1232314668653404160?s=20

2/ Mr. Rouhani said work & day to day life will go back to normal as of Saturday. Any measures to combat virus will be announced by the national committee, he said avoid unnecessary public gatherings.

https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1232315622937300992?s=20

Edited February 25, 2020 by Flipflop

[Summer Sun]

Spanish health ministry has confirmed a case of coronavirus in Barcelona.

The patient that tested positive arrived from the north of Italy in the last few days.

Edited February 25, 2020 by Summer Sun

[Gael_Force]

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At present, 14% of patients discharged from Guangdong are "rejuvenated", and the patients have been tested positive for nucleic acid. Does this mean that the patients have re-infected with new coronary pneumonia? Is it still contagious?

In response, Song Tie, deputy director of the Guangdong Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said that it is now necessary to start sampling and monitoring all discharged patients to understand their situation.

"This is a matter of our profession and a concern of the people. This virus is a brand new virus. The state ’s diagnosis and treatment plan for new coronary pneumonia has also reached the sixth edition, and different diagnosis and treatment plans and protection plans have been released at different times. This issue is an important scientific issue. In fact, we have been monitoring, so our province has recently issued a notice-to strengthen the follow-up notice of discharged patients with new coronary pneumonia, and now we will start to discharge all patients Perform sampling monitoring. "

Song Tie said, "We all know that if it is a positive patient, it must be the source of infection. In terms of prevention and control, it must be managed according to the source of infection. Therefore, in the early stage, we actually already had some people discharged from the city. After monitoring, We also found that, and after that we were told to take strict centralized medical observations and conduct independent observations to see if his condition has recurred. We invited some local clinicians to conduct consultations. "

"We all know that pneumonia is a long-lasting disease, and it may take two to three months to recover. Some elderly people or some people with poor health, pneumonia recovery is slower. This process is similar to tuberculosis "Some people may develop active tuberculosis, and some may recover. We observe that similar conditions may occur with new coronary pneumonia."

From Chinese source..

http://www.bjd.com.cn/a/202002/25/WS5e55331ee4b05d1eff0b2e61.html

 

Edited February 25, 2020 by Gael_Force

[swebby]

1 hour ago, Bristle boy said:

Anyone returning to the UK from parts of northern Italy now on lockdown because of coronavirus must self-isolate, the chief medical officer has said.

The government has updated its travel advice as Italy scrambles to contain an outbreak that has now spread south, after the first positive case was confirmed in Sicily.

Travellers - even those without symptoms - coming home to Britain from specific areas have been told to stay indoors, avoid contact with other people and call NHS 111.

The big Qs are "Would you?" and how many already back in the UK or about to return to the UK will bother?

This on the BBC.

Coronavirus: Will I get paid if I self-isolate?

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Health Secretary Matt Hancock says Britons returning from locked-down Italian towns must self-isolate.

If you do not get statutory sick pay, e.g, self employed/zero hours contracts, then there is an incentive to ignore the advice if you will struggle with the loss of pay.

Admittedly, those on low income are probably not likely to have just been on a skiing holiday in the Italian alps (that's not really in the reach of someone on average pay) but the Government need to either say they will underwrite all sick pay for anyone that self isolates, or they need to legislate to force all employers to do so.

The real difficult one is for a self employed/contract worker, unable to work from home but could damage their business if they go to ground for another two weeks.

[swebby]

1 hour ago, Flipflop said:

#Iran President Rouhani addresses the nation: "This is one of the enemy’s plots to create panic to close down our society. No, we all have to work, carry on with our activities and be careful and take the sick to the hospital."

https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1232314668653404160?s=20

2/ Mr. Rouhani said work & day to day life will go back to normal as of Saturday. Any measures to combat virus will be announced by the national committee, he said avoid unnecessary public gatherings.

https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1232315622937300992?s=20

Zealot's and their rhetoric, bangs head on table.

President Rouhani may just well talk Iran into full international isolation (borders shut, no flights in/out) with clap trap like that.

16 dead and only 95 cases, so we are either looking at a +17% mortality rate in Iran or the case number is off by an order of magnitude.  The bright orange one already has a travel ban on Iran so will no doubt start crowing about his "foresight".  Trump and Rouhani, it's almost enough to make me start rooting for Covid-19!

[Summer Sun]

Trinity Catholic College in Middlesbrough has  completely closed as a precaution over coronavirus following ski trips in Italy.

[Bristawl Si]

44 minutes ago, swebby said:

This on the BBC.

Coronavirus: Will I get paid if I self-isolate?

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Health Secretary Matt Hancock says Britons returning from locked-down Italian towns must self-isolate.

If you do not get statutory sick pay, e.g, self employed/zero hours contracts, then there is an incentive to ignore the advice if you will struggle with the loss of pay.

Admittedly, those on low income are probably not likely to have just been on a skiing holiday in the Italian alps (that's not really in the reach of someone on average pay) but the Government need to either say they will underwrite all sick pay for anyone that self isolates, or they need to legislate to force all employers to do so.

The real difficult one is for a self employed/contract worker, unable to work from home but could damage their business if they go to ground for another two weeks.

Just cant see many employees of companies self-isolating if they have no symptoms. Back in my office days most of us went to work with colds. So if anyone whose been to Italy or (now) Tenerife in last week or so, and are feeling fine, there is no way they'll call in -

" Hello manager, i'm calling for a few sickie days so wont be back in work this week". Manager replies " Oh no, what is wrong? Are you feeling unwell?". Worker says "No, i feel right as rain". Manager - "Are you taking the proverbial pee? Get your ###### butt in yer or you're out!!"

[Gael_Force]

5 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Just cant see many employees of companies self-isolating if they have no symptoms. Back in my office days most of us went to work with colds. So if anyone whose been to Italy or (now) Tenerife in last week or so, and are feeling fine, there is no way they'll call in -

" Hello manager, i'm calling for a few sickie days so wont be back in work this week". Manager replies " Oh no, what is wrong? Are you feeling unwell?". Worker says "No, i feel right as rain". Manager - "Are you taking the proverbial pee? Get your ###### butt in yer or you're out!!"

I think you are right about the people who will not adhere to advice to self isolate but I suspect some shrewd management would rather be short of an employee or two than face business closed indefinitely through an outbreak in staff.

[Snipper]

What is the latest info on the the benefits of face masks?

It would seem they have doubtful benefits.  The chap on BBC news this morning said if nothing else it reminds you not to touch your face with potentially infectious hands.

What is a mask’s life expectancy (obviously depending on type).  Can they be sterilised for extended use bearing in mind they are going to be in very short supply now? Fortunately I have already got some for use in my  building works.

Any one got a nice sewing pattern to knock some up?

[Bristawl Si]

7 minutes ago, Gael_Force said:

I think you are right about the people who will not adhere to advice to self isolate but I suspect some shrewd management would rather be short of an employee or two than face business closed indefinitely through an outbreak in staff.

Some of the larger companies, esp in financial services, have really good employee relations and social policies these days. I mean top notch social welfare policies. Plus, a lot of people i know, ex-work colleagues, have really good flexible working conditions. They can work from home if needs be. Cant comment on other industries though.

[Bristawl Si]

8 minutes ago, Snipper said:

What is the latest info on the the benefits of face masks?

It would seem they have doubtful benefits.  The chap on BBC news this morning said if nothing else it reminds you not to touch your face with potentially infectious hands.

What is a mask’s life expectancy (obviously depending on type).  Can they be sterilised for extended use bearing in mind they are going to be in very short supply now? Fortunately I have already got some for use in my  building works.

Any one got a nice sewing pattern to knock some up?

I've listened to a number of medical pros and virologists the last couple of weeks who have certainly been implying this strain of CV seems to be more passable via touch or infected surfaces rather than through breathing or from mouth. I could be interpreting incorrectly but that's been my take from medical experts. 

[fujita5]

2 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Some of the larger companies, esp in financial services, have really good employee relations and social policies these days. I mean top notch social welfare policies. Plus, a lot of people i know, ex-work colleagues, have really good flexible working conditions. They can work from home if needs be. Cant comment on other industries though.

I'm Ok as I'm in a senior position within my company (department manager) and I can work from home.  Sadly, many of the staff in the call centre are on minimum wage with quite poor contracts and won't be entitled to full pay.  Therefore unless they fall very ill they won't stay off work...

[Summer Sun]

Italy has confirmed another 3 people have died in the coronavirus outbreak in northern Italy. The death toll now stands at 10.

[Snipper]

Just answered my own question. Check out Pintrest. More than enough patterns. Whether the material you use would be of much use is another matter. 

[Summer Sun]

A hotel in Innsbruck, Austria is placed under quarantine due to coronavirus it's the first case reported in Switzerland.

[Wiltshire_snow_lover]

Coronavirus: Five Serie A matches to be played behind closed doors - BBC Sport

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Five Serie A matches will be played behind closed doors this weekend - including Juventus' match at home to Inter - because of the coronavirus outbreak in...

 

[DAVID SNOW]

2 minutes ago, Wiltshire_snow_lover said:

Coronavirus: Five Serie A matches to be played behind closed doors - BBC Sport

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Five Serie A matches will be played behind closed doors this weekend - including Juventus' match at home to Inter - because of the coronavirus outbreak in...

 

And if anyone spits...... then the games off.............

[alexisj9]

2 hours ago, Bristle boy said:

Anyone returning to the UK from parts of northern Italy now on lockdown because of coronavirus must self-isolate, the chief medical officer has said.

The government has updated its travel advice as Italy scrambles to contain an outbreak that has now spread south, after the first positive case was confirmed in Sicily.

Travellers - even those without symptoms - coming home to Britain from specific areas have been told to stay indoors, avoid contact with other people and call NHS 111.

The big Qs are "Would you?" and how many already back in the UK or about to return to the UK will bother?

Cwell one would hope people take the advise seriously, but that can not be guaranteed. We've seen people saying a lot of fuss about nothing even in this thread.

[Methuselah]

7 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

Cwell one would hope people take the advise seriously, but that can not be guaranteed. We've seen people saying a lot of fuss about nothing even in this thread.

But, as is always the case with 'advice from on-high', real (non-privileged) people can seldom afford to take it?

[Wiltshire_snow_lover]

 

[swebby]

1 minute ago, Wiltshire_snow_lover said:

 

The 19 fatalities in Iran tells the story. They are either incredibly unlucky or the number of carriers is in the 1000s and they've had it since January, not the 95 in the last 8 days that the authorities have stated. I don't think this is a conspiracy, more a case they have not been checking for cases.

Meanwhile, President Rouhani is blaming plotters!

I suspect Iran will be facing unilateral travel bans from pretty much every country in the world within the next 24-48hrs unless they open themselves up to full assistance from the WHO.

[Bristawl Si]

37 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

Cwell one would hope people take the advise seriously, but that can not be guaranteed. We've seen people saying a lot of fuss about nothing even in this thread.

If it turns out, say, 3 or 4 months down the line from now, that it really was like a flu outbreak, with same kind of numbers of people affected as in a Winter flu season, plus

Fatalities are amongst those who are elderly, infirm, and/or they had underlying medical issues then the wider population will just view it as another illness.

I know this reads a bit casual (understatement), but unless it turns out like a 1918 Spanish flu outbreak people will just get on with things. 

I know individual people WILL be affected, seeing loved ones suffer, but did the last severe flu outbreak in the UK REALLY see people change their behaviour around travel, going outside, going to work, socialising, catching public transport, etc? 

This CV strain has same mortality rate as influenza i've read in last day or so. I stand to be corrected if i'm wrong.

[Gael_Force]

Healthcare providers, the elderly, at risk population, are invited to avail themselves of seasonal influenza vaccine: that protects both the people and the facilities providing medical services. We see in China, many infected doctors and nurses with sad fatalities among the young in the front line. If it gets going here, it will certainly not be like a normal 'bad flu' season. The only advantage I can see is that we are forewarned and thus better able to protect medical staff with protective gear.