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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
13 hours ago, mushymanrob said:

Thanks john, it helps to a degree, but atm i dont really understand fully the skew-t charts. Ill have to find an explanitory vid on youtube 

Have a look on the Learning area many years ago I did a skew-t tutorial. Not sure if all the diagrams still work but pm me when you have had time to read it with any questions and I'll try to help

sorry not sure what happened there I'll try and give the link again

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
11 minutes ago, knocker said:

Fog here at the moment and as can be seen on the 0600 chart mist/fog is pretty extensive at the moment

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Low ST here after a clodless dawn

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

About the only thing the ecm and gfs agree on through next week is that is going to be changeable, although the ecm does have further amplification towards the end of the week

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
30 minutes ago, johnholmes said:

Have a look on the Learning area many years ago I did a skew-t tutorial. Not sure if all the diagrams still work but pm me when you have had time to read it with any questions and I'll try to help

 

sorry not sure what happened there I'll try and give the link again

Is this the link John?

https://www.netweather.tv/forum/topic/16002-a-simple-guide-to-understanding-skew-t-diagrams/

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Let's see if I can get any sense out of the ext anomalies this morning. Although they are not in agreement they are all pretty much on the same page.

A ridge NW North America adjacent to a similarly orientated tpv N. Russia to N. Canada with associated trough into the NW Atlantic, Downstream some ridging srill into southern Greenland with a trough in the eastern Atlantic as the subtropical high attempts to amplify in Europe. Fairly obviously the alignment and intensity of the downstream features are critical to any assessment on forthcoming weather so I will take a rain check on that

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The Stratus and fog have now dissipated here

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The output from the gfs and ecm det runs fit pretty well with the pattern of the medium term anomalies this evening with an extension of the tpv down eastern North America and a strong westerly upper flow crossing exiting south of this across the Atlantic south of the trough in the east. Thus systems tending to track towards the UK from the south west indicating  unsettled

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

A very slack low pressure area covers much of western Europe at the moment but specifically today the much discussed trough to the NW will take closer order. Once the Stratus over eastern regions has retreated to coast this morning it should be another fine day for most althouigh cloud may linger around the south west with showers developing over Wales this afternoon courtesy of the trough

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Some cloud and the odd shower in the north courtesy of the weak cold front associated with the aforementioned trough, otherwise a clear night with the odd frost patch

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A cloudier day on Sunday with showers and longer periods of rain although some spots like the south east will remain quite sunny

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By Monday the pattern is evolving as previously discussed as the UK trough merges with the main one to the NE and further troughs track down from northern Canada into the Atlantic, all of which creates a cut off high cell over Iceland, And more specifically a cloudy and cooler day for the UK with rain in the north  thanks to the trailing occlusion

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The pattern continues to evolve in the Atlantic on Tuesday with a very slack gradient across the UK resulting in a much cooler day with frequent showers, some of which could be quite intense

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By Wednesday the Atlantic low is filling and drifting east covering much of the UK, thus it will be quite cloudy, and the associated occlusion will bring a band of rain as well

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The detail for the rest of the week is tricky as, according to the gfs, there is a trough stationed over the eastern Atlantic being 'topped' up by the energy flows from the NW and SW. All of which portends unsettled with showers and longer periods of rain

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

Yes the detail of course will slowly be refined by the models but the overall change to a more changeable pattern looks pretty certain. Shown also on the 500 mb anomaly charts

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html

All 3 show similar type charts in the 6-10 day period.

 

This idea was already starting to show when I last put the anomaly charts on here, Tuesday 21 April.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

In the middle of next week the gfs is looking to develop a wave in the south west quadrant of the complex upper trough

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and tracking it east to be west of Ireland on Friday

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Currently low pressure dominates western Europe and much of the Atlantic underlying high pressure building north of Iceland. More specifically a front associated with a shallow low in the North Sea will bring cloud and showers to northern and central areas through today and some of these could be heavy during this afternoon. There will also be showers in the far north in the cooler air. .South of the midlands generally another warm and sunny day

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Tonight the cloud and patchy rain will continue to edge south whilst the showers continue in the north

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By Monday the low is over southern Norway but the weakening cold front is still f draped across the south where it is still quite warm resulting in a few showers bubbling up in the afternoon. But it is generally cooler with further showers in Scotland courtesy of a stray trough

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There is quite a lot going on over Monday night and through Tuesday with developments in mid Atlantic and, more to the point, a wave develops on the old front which tracks north bringing rain to southern and central areas

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By Wednesday the Atlantic is starting to take over as the trough moves east and the associated front will bring rain to most areas south of Scotland

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By Thursday the country is nestling under low pressure, ergo continuing unsettled with heavy showers. longer periods of rain and sunny intervals

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

To continue over the weekend with the gfs but the detail be treated with caution

By Friday the low in the south west has developed and tracked north east with the weakening front bringing some rain to the country/

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But over the weekend amplification of the subtropical high zones more or less halts eastward movement of the trough, although the UK just about remains under the influence of the eastern flank.

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

My first measurable rain since 0.2 mm 12th, 0.8 mm and the Doncaster prediction looks about right looking at the clouds around here in the past hour.

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