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Morning all Yesterday was one of my favourite Meteorological Winter days of all time - no snowfall but -4c to start the day with a lovely sunrise, frost stayed on the ground at sea level all day,

One of the cold persuasion waiting for snow

You could apply that to gale lovers, why would you want a potentially destructive storm causing death, damage, disruption? You could apply that to thunderstorm lovers, why would you want a severe

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54 minutes ago, stainesbloke said:

Chucking it down yet again, so bored of this crap and I don’t even live here anymore lol ? 

Yes it’s been a manky winter, probably the worst one since 2013/14, but probably not that mild when compared to last winter or December 2015.

It just feels like it’s been damp and cold at times, as opposed to mild overall. Just the lack of snow or dry sunny spells have been noticeable. 

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Is it me or is British weather getting more and more boring?
I fear that by the time I eventually have children of my own, they will not be able to experience the joys of playing in the snow as we will no longer have any snow at all by that point. The way things are going, I can certainly see that happening. 

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14 minutes ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:

Is it me or is British weather getting more and more boring?
I fear that by the time I eventually have children of my own, they will not be able to experience the joys of playing in the snow as we will no longer have any snow at all by that point. The way things are going, I can certainly see that happening. 

It's always been relatively boring as we live in a temperate climate zone,  but snow will increasingly become rarer as time passes for sure. 

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23 minutes ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:

Is it me or is British weather getting more and more boring?
I fear that by the time I eventually have children of my own, they will not be able to experience the joys of playing in the snow as we will no longer have any snow at all by that point. The way things are going, I can certainly see that happening. 

I joined this forum back in 2007...and one of the first posts I read on here was very similar to this. It's funny how things can turn from one winter to the next to surprise you. February 2009 was unexpected going by the previous winters. Although some of the winters over the past decade have felt more tedious than the poor winters we got during the 2000s.

As for this winter? Like most, I would have loved to have seen a proper deep Spring cold snap. But you know what? The weather over the past couple of weeks has been so attrocious for people, the amount of lives that have ruined, I would not begrudge them a warm, dry spell at all (and in all honesty, now I'm older, would probably enjoy it myself too!).

It's been a terrible end to a lousy winter...it's time to move on.

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10 minutes ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:

Is it me or is British weather getting more and more boring?
I fear that by the time I eventually have children of my own, they will not be able to experience the joys of playing in the snow as we will no longer have any snow at all by that point. The way things are going, I can certainly see that happening. 

While it does seem that way is that actually true ? Only two years ago we had widespread snow across the Uk. Plus the hot summer of 2018 hot spell last year to with the temperature record broken. This winter has being guff though for cold just rain wind and more rain and more wind never felt mild either because of the vile wind making it feel about 5 degrees colder that what it actually is. Last two days was beautiful here sunny and calm. Back to awful cold rain today at 3 degrees earlier just to rub it in cold but not cold enough for snow. Be interesting to note coldest temperature recorded this winter and how it compares to other winters ? 

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1 hour ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:

Is it me or is British weather getting more and more boring?
I fear that by the time I eventually have children of my own, they will not be able to experience the joys of playing in the snow as we will no longer have any snow at all by that point. The way things are going, I can certainly see that happening. 

And summer is one long dull cloud fest at times. I hope we don’t have another one of those years. 

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1 hour ago, mountain shadow said:

It's always been relatively boring as we live in a temperate climate zone,  but snow will increasingly become rarer as time passes for sure. 

That’s right, even between 1979 and 1987, some areas still had winters with little or no snow. Similar to the years of 2008-12, although snow did seem to fall almost every year during those years.

It does seem since 2013, snow events are becoming less frequent. 

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1 hour ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:

Is it me or is British weather getting more and more boring?
I fear that by the time I eventually have children of my own, they will not be able to experience the joys of playing in the snow as we will no longer have any snow at all by that point. The way things are going, I can certainly see that happening. 

We were first told this in the early 90's and it turned out to be incorrect. I suspect it will be the same this time.

 

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3 hours ago, Sunny76 said:

Yes it’s been a manky winter, probably the worst one since 2013/14, but probably not that mild when compared to last winter or December 2015.

It just feels like it’s been damp and cold at times, as opposed to mild overall. Just the lack of snow or dry sunny spells have been noticeable. 

It’s basically been chucking it down and windy since late September. There have only been a few sunnier, calmer days. We needed some rain after last summer (quite dry in the S) but it has been relentless. 

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3 hours ago, Hessle Owl said:

While it does seem that way is that actually true ? Only two years ago we had widespread snow across the Uk. Plus the hot summer of 2018 hot spell last year to with the temperature record broken. This winter has being guff though for cold just rain wind and more rain and more wind never felt mild either because of the vile wind making it feel about 5 degrees colder that what it actually is. Last two days was beautiful here sunny and calm. Back to awful cold rain today at 3 degrees earlier just to rub it in cold but not cold enough for snow. Be interesting to note coldest temperature recorded this winter and how it compares to other winters ? 

1979 -24.6 Carnwath (Strathclyde) 13 January

1980 -17.5 Clashnoir (Grampian) 2 January

1981 -25.2 Shawbury (Shrops.) 13 December

1982 -27.2 Braemar 10 January

1983 -14.2 Lagganlia 19 February

1984 -23.6 Grantown-on-Spey 20 January

1985 -23.4 Lagganlia (Highland) 27 January

1986 -21.2 Grantown-on-Spey 27 February

1987 -19.1 Warsop (Notts.) 13 January

1988 -11.6 Carnwath (Strathclyde) 22 November

1989 -14.0 Tummell Bridge 15 December

1990 -8.4 Grantown-on-Spey 15 February

1991 -16.0 Cawood (N Yorks.) 14 February

1992 -14.2 Grantown-on-Spey 21 December

1993 -15.8 Altnaharra 26 December

1994 -16.1 Braemar 17 February

1995 -27.2 Altnaharra 30 December

1996 -13.0 Aviemore 25 December

1997 -14.5 Santon Downham (Suffolk) 3 January

1998 -17.0 Altnaharra 1 March

1999 -14.0 Sennybridge (south Wales) 20 December

2000 -15.0 Dalmally (Argyll) 30 December

2001 -21.7 Kinbrace (Sutherland) 3 March

2002 -16.1 Grantown 2 January

2003 -18.3 Aviemore 7 January

2004 -15.2 Kinbrace (Sutherland) 19 December

2005 -13.2 Ravensworth (North Yorks.) 29 December

2006 -16.4 Altnaharra 2 March

2007 -13.0 Aboyne 22 December

2008 -12.9 Aviemore 30 December

2009 -18.4 Aviemore 9 February, Braemar 29 December

2010 -22.3 Altnaharra 8 January

2011 -13.0 Althnaharra 8 January

2012 -18.3 Chesham (Bucks.) 11 February

2013 -13.4 Marham (near Norwich, Norfolk) 16 January

2014 -9.0 Cromdale (Morayshire) 27 December

2015 -12.5 Tulloch Bridge, Glascarnoch 19 January

2016 -14.1 Braemar 14 February

2017 -13.0 Shawbury (Shropshire) 12 December

2018 -14.2 Faversham (Kent) 28 February

2019 -14.3 Braemar 31 January (so far)

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2 hours ago, Sunny76 said:

And summer is one long dull cloud fest at times. I hope we don’t have another one of those years. 

What an absolute load of rubbish!...certainly if you live in the south or south east of England you know this simply isn't true, since approximately 2013 give the odd exception (usually Augusts and last summer June) our summers have improved to a degree.

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2 hours ago, Sunny76 said:

It does seem since 2013, snow events are becoming less frequent. 

Yes, winter's have reverted back to the 1987-2008 type since 2013.

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25 minutes ago, Don said:

Yes, winter's have reverted back to the 1987-2008 type since 2013.

Still though,the cold has been there,trapped by the fast spinning polar vortex.Greenland has had record low registers along with many North American points.All against the back drop of a warming global climate.Just waiting on comment on why Arctic ice melt has failed to have an impact on sea conveyor systems as was predicted it would,causing colder winters here.

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Well I have to say I have never seen a bbc weather forecast go in to so much detail about different models etc . I was taken by surprise but glad to see this and maybe the public that are not in this thread or part of netweather and other similar inferior sights ? might  start to understand some of the aspects of forecasting etc .

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12 minutes ago, Mark wheeler said:

Well I have to say I have never seen a bbc weather forecast go in to so much detail about different models etc . I was taken by surprise but glad to see this and maybe the public that are not in this thread or part of netweather and other similar inferior sights ? might  start to understand some of the aspects of forecasting etc .

 

I have to say I'm impressed with that.

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2 hours ago, hillbilly said:

1979 -24.6 Carnwath (Strathclyde) 13 January

1980 -17.5 Clashnoir (Grampian) 2 January

1981 -25.2 Shawbury (Shrops.) 13 December

1982 -27.2 Braemar 10 January

1983 -14.2 Lagganlia 19 February

1984 -23.6 Grantown-on-Spey 20 January

1985 -23.4 Lagganlia (Highland) 27 January

1986 -21.2 Grantown-on-Spey 27 February

1987 -19.1 Warsop (Notts.) 13 January

1988 -11.6 Carnwath (Strathclyde) 22 November

1989 -14.0 Tummell Bridge 15 December

1990 -8.4 Grantown-on-Spey 15 February

1991 -16.0 Cawood (N Yorks.) 14 February

1992 -14.2 Grantown-on-Spey 21 December

1993 -15.8 Altnaharra 26 December

1994 -16.1 Braemar 17 February

1995 -27.2 Altnaharra 30 December

1996 -13.0 Aviemore 25 December

1997 -14.5 Santon Downham (Suffolk) 3 January

1998 -17.0 Altnaharra 1 March

1999 -14.0 Sennybridge (south Wales) 20 December

2000 -15.0 Dalmally (Argyll) 30 December

2001 -21.7 Kinbrace (Sutherland) 3 March

2002 -16.1 Grantown 2 January

2003 -18.3 Aviemore 7 January

2004 -15.2 Kinbrace (Sutherland) 19 December

2005 -13.2 Ravensworth (North Yorks.) 29 December

2006 -16.4 Altnaharra 2 March

2007 -13.0 Aboyne 22 December

2008 -12.9 Aviemore 30 December

2009 -18.4 Aviemore 9 February, Braemar 29 December

2010 -22.3 Altnaharra 8 January

2011 -13.0 Althnaharra 8 January

2012 -18.3 Chesham (Bucks.) 11 February

2013 -13.4 Marham (near Norwich, Norfolk) 16 January

2014 -9.0 Cromdale (Morayshire) 27 December

2015 -12.5 Tulloch Bridge, Glascarnoch 19 January

2016 -14.1 Braemar 14 February

2017 -13.0 Shawbury (Shropshire) 12 December

2018 -14.2 Faversham (Kent) 28 February

2019 -14.3 Braemar 31 January (so far)

Cheers suprised got that low this winter. 2014 was an stinker -9.0 bad times how depressing nowhere has got  below -15 since 2013 seven years ago quite telling. I guess the 2018 low shows what can happen with the right set up in place and in South East England to.

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8 minutes ago, Hessle Owl said:

Cheers suprised got that low this winter. 2014 was an stinker -9.0 bad times how depressing nowhere has got  below -15 since 2013 seven years ago quite telling. I guess the 2018 low shows what can happen with the right set up in place and in South East England to.

1947 -21.3 Elmstone (Kent) 30 January

The last time Kent held the winter minimum !

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