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  • Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex
  • Weather Preferences: Severe frosts, Heavy snowfall, Thunder and lightning, Stormy weather
  • Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex

A large increase of Snow for Scotland and parts of England:

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Latest update on the ice and status of the Mosaic project...

Last 2 days have seen reductions in the ice extent as the ice has been pushed back northwards again by the weather features which keep moving up into the Eastern Arctic.

Details tomorrow.

As promised the updated Mosaic project data -

I have waited until the information from the 2 ships have been clarified..... 

It looks as if the relieving ice breaker (the Kapitan Dranitsin) -  KD for short -  has become ice-bound quite close to  the pole and it is thought that it is still about 100 kilometres from the Polarstern. It has spent the last 24 hours trying to break free.  

The weather is fairly typical (temp about -25C with a gale force wind) and any ice drift now appears to be parallel so little hope of getting closer if it remains icebound. Also, it is now looking as though the KD will have to turn around soon, otherwise they will run out of fuel on their return journey -  that is if they try to get much closer. 

They are trying 'manoeuvres' to try and release themselves. 

According to communications there is no risk to the people on board either ship as they carry sufficient supplies for at least 4 months.

They have plans (weather permitting) to exchange people by helicopter  One of the KD, and two (smaller) on the Polarstern .

If this fails they may have to await a much larger (nuclear powered?) ice breaker to come and relieve and then to resupply the Polarstern..

Interestingly as the Polarstern is a more powerful ship,  one option may be to release it from its iceflow, and allow it to steam/travel to the KD. I assume this to be a last resort option.

Good news for the project is that the last 2 weeks have seen the ice drift speed up - this time in the generally required direction, so that they may reach the favoured destination much earlier than expected.

MIA 

    

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  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow,Thunderstorms mix both for heaven THUNDERSNOW 😜😀🤤🥰
  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL
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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Thanks for the above KW...

So the Ozone  levels and their distribution can show whether or not the PV is going to/ or has   'ramped' up?. I think that there may be  a question of which comes first? I certainly was reporting the different Ozone distribution this year earlier on than when the PV formed.

Whereas, last year the Ozone just 'spreadout' over the whole Arctic in early December.   A totally different signal. 

However all fairly anecdotal, a similar year would be interesting. -  It probably is  worth watching  in future years.

 

In other news...

From the Mosaic project it would seem as though the KD has freed itself. However it has only travelled 20miles in the last 36hours, so progress is very slow. Still 70 Kilometers to go to reach the PS, and still worries about the amount of fuel to get back to Norway.. Latest thoughts are the  exchange will take place  over the weekend.

It seems as though the best method of freeing the KD, is to rapidly pump fuel from one side to the other, whilst thrusting the engines into reverse.  My mind boggles... I wonder if they ask the people on board to run with it!!

Over 100 on board so it could make a difference?  

 

Sea ice....2 days of quite large losses since I last reported, but today a big increase again. We are still hovering around the 14.8K - 14.9K Km2 extent values. Jaxa today recorded a nearly 90 K Km2 increase.

It seems as though we are getting high variability this year as we approach the maximum.

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Snow - still unchanged in Europe, but talk of a 'dumping ' to come over the next few days/weeks. 

Back later with Masie ice details and some interesting charts.

MIA

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39 minutes ago, Midlands Ice Age said:

Thanks for the above KW...

So the Ozone  levels and their distribution can show whether or not the PV is going to/ or has   'ramped' up?. It is a question of which comes first? I certainly was reporting the different Ozone distribution this year earlier on than when the PV formed.

Whereas, last year the Ozone just 'spreadout' over the whole Arctic in early December.   A totally different signal. 

However all fairly anecdotal, a similar year would be interesting. -  It probably is  worth watching  in future years.

 

The tweet is fairly clear, as posted earlier in the thread, the ozone distribution is a response. It spread out last year because there was a SSW.

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
1 hour ago, Interitus said:

The tweet is fairly clear, as posted earlier in the thread, the ozone distribution is a response. It spread out last year because there was a SSW.

When was the SSW last year?. The Ozone spread out early/mid December 2018.

https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/ozone_maps/movies/OZONE_D2018-11-01%P1D_G^360X240.IOMPS_PNPP_V21_MMERRA2_LNH.mp4

Run the MP forward and see 

 

Compared with this for Dec 13th 2019 -

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or this from Dec 29th 2019 -

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and today (circulation complete)..

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I cannot see any sign of the SSW 2018-19 winter until much later on/if at all?

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I can see the massive one in Feb 2018, and signs of one in Nov/early Dec 2019, but nothing in 2018-2019 winter?

MIA 

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In December 2018 the polar ozone increased with the wave driving prior to the SSW but when this occurred at the start of January the ozone shot up to record levels for the time of year -

https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/meteorology/figures/ozone/to3capn_2018_toms+omi+omps.pdf

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A paper currently in review (not yet published) examines the 2018/9 ozone season describes this, from the abstract -

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In winter 2018/2019 a major sudden stratospheric warming (SSW) took place with the central date at 2 January. We present the ozone, water vapour and wind measurements of the winter 2018/2019 and discuss the signatures of the SSW in a global context. We further present the evolution of the ozone gradients at Ny-Ålesund and link it to the planetary wave activity. At 3 hPa we find a distinct seasonal variation of the ozone gradients. In October and March a strong polar vortex leads to ozone decreases towards the pole. In November the amplitudes of the planetary waves grow until they break in the end of December and an SSW takes place. From November until February the ozone gradients mostly point to higher latitudes and the magnitude is smaller than in October and March. We attribute this to the planetary wave activity of wave number 1 and 2 which enabled meridional transport.

https://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/acp-2019-1093/

Incidentally, you are trying to find signs of the SSW in the average >80°N surface temperature?

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  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow,Thunderstorms mix both for heaven THUNDERSNOW 😜😀🤤🥰
  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL
1 hour ago, Midlands Ice Age said:

When was the SSW last year?. The Ozone spread out early/mid December 2018.

 

The warming started ramping up during Christmas 2018 then developed through Jan 2019 but with complications in the downwelling, which is probably one of the reasons we never really benefited from it from a cold / snowy POV. 

WWW.ACCESSSCIENCE.COM

Earth’s surface temperature is warming, and the Arctic region is warming even faster. Yet winters in…

 

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We are talking about what's going on in the upper air ( stratosphere) over the ARCTIC POLAR REGION.  A sudden up welling of warm air is...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2019JD031919&ved=2ahUKEwjwvoz93_HnAhU9URUIHbOTAGcQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3_-CbzkeXttpEPxi-0VX5l

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Thanks guys...

I have been through the daily Ozone charts for the period from Dec 21st to Jan10th.

The SSW was declared around jan 2nd but as KW suggested there were indications from the Ozone as early as the 24th - 26th December that something was happening in the highest stratosphere. A rapid build up of Ozone occurred around this date. 

It is definitely not following the official onset of the SSW and it seems to me to be at the start of it and just maybe it has something to do with the preconditions for it to start rather than caused by the SSW.?.

I used this link to view the data daily.

https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/ozone_maps/movies/OZONE_D2018-11-01%P1D_G^360X240.IOMPS_PNPP_V21_MMERRA2_LNH.mp4

I feel I must ask - where did all this Ozone come from? I understand that it is moved by planetary waves, but it suddenly exploded over the pole inside 3 days without any obvious signs of its existence before the event..

MIA

 

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Masie status and the ice near the end of the refreeze.

Masie current extent is 14,824K Km2 an increase of 74K Km2 for today after changes of   (-42K and -80K) for the 2 previous days.  

So extreme variability of the ice in all the major areas of Bering (-17K), Barents(-13K), SOO(-5K) and Baffin(-29K). Greenland also fell slightly (-28K), but overall there was just a slight adjustment downward. The current  ice maximum is 14,933K Km2. Km2 achieved 3 days ago.

One of the oddities about this refreeze season is that area has moved in general in the reverse direction to extent.

The last 3 days have seen increases in the area figures, apparently indicating that the ice is being compacted during times of extent reduction rather than melting.

We will see what happens in the next few weeks as the ice starts to melt in the perimeter areas.

Area is currently 11th lowest in the series, which coincidentally is almost the same as that for extent (10th)...

The variability of the last few days can be seen from these Jaxa graphs (thanks to ASIF).

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From this it can be seen that the current maximum is already greater than 5 of the recent 10 years.

Other 'unexpected' results are  that the extent of Bering is already greater than nearly all those recorded since records started.  Who could have expected this when say Alaska was being toted as so far above average temperatures at the end of December?

Similarly it looks as though areas around Russia are now dropping to levels not believed possible only a couple of months ago.

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 The current weather (temperature) outlook is for the DMI temps to drop back towards the averages for the season.

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It is virtually impossible to predict the final extent for the year 19/20.. Average conditions would indicate a Masie value of about 15,100K Km2.  We will soon see.  

MIA 

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  • Location: Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
  • Weather Preferences: Sunshine and 15-25c
  • Location: Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
50 minutes ago, Midlands Ice Age said:

Masie status and the ice near the end of the refreeze.

Masie current extent is 14,824K Km2 an increase of 74K Km2 for today after changes of   (-42K and -80K) for the 2 previous days.  

So extreme variability of the ice in all the major areas of Bering (-17K), Barents(-13K), SOO(-5K) and Baffin(-29K). Greenland also fell slightly (-28K), but overall there was just a slight adjustment downward. The current  ice maximum is 14,933K Km2. Km2 achieved 3 days ago.

One of the oddities about this refreeze season is that area has moved in general in the reverse direction to extent.

The last 3 days have seen increases in the area figures, apparently indicating that the ice is being compacted during times of extent reduction rather than melting.

We will see what happens in the next few weeks as the ice starts to melt in the perimeter areas.

Area is currently 11th lowest in the series, which coincidentally is almost the same as that for extent (10th)...

The variability of the last few days can be seen from these Jaxa graphs (thanks to ASIF).

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From this it can be seen that the current maximum is already greater than 5 of the recent 10 years.

Other 'unexpected' results are  that the extent of Bering is already greater than nearly all those recorded since records started.  Who could have expected this when say Alaska was being toted as so far above average temperatures at the end of December?

Similarly it looks as though areas around Russia are now dropping to levels not believed possible only a couple of months ago.

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 The current weather (temperature) outlook is for the DMI temps to drop back towards the averages for the season.

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It is virtually impossible to predict the final extent for the year 19/20.. Average conditions would indicate a Masie value of about 15,100K Km2.  We will soon see.  

MIA 

Actually Alaska had a slightly colder than average Dec as a whole about -1c below normal in fact at the end of Dec temperatures were never above -20c and were often close to -40c in that last week...im using Fairbanks as a reference which is bang slap in the middle of the state ..this was followed by a very cold Jan 2020 some -7c below normal...Anchorage recorded some anomalous warm days in the first week of Dec but that's on the coast... but of course for some people that is good enough to state that Alaska is burning up..but say nothing when the other 12 weeks of winter have been well below normal..a bit of context would be nice once in a while

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  • Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex
  • Weather Preferences: Severe frosts, Heavy snowfall, Thunder and lightning, Stormy weather
  • Location: South Ockendon, Thurrock, SW Essex

Gradual increase of snow and sea ice:

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Latest news on the Arctic Sea Ice + Mosaic project 

As suggested above by Katrine yesterday saw a large increase of 87K Km2, taking the total up to 14,911KKm2.

- Just below the peak recorded 5 days ago of 14,933K KM2.

Today the ice appears to have increased (according to US NIC), (and also Jaxa recorded a 50K Km2 gain today)

******* NOTE ADDED   I do Masie a dis-service - it is the US NIC data which is unchanged. *******

 

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However the data for yesterday collected today (Feb 29th) by Masie  is identical to yesterday's value (even down to each individual area). I therefore suspect that they have had a problem with the processing of the leap year day data.

I will watch what happens tomorrow with renewed interest.

Assuming that Masie has recorded similar numbers to Jaxa I expect tomorrow's will be within touching distance of the 15K barrier (assuming the problem is fixed).

Temperatures are forecast to be helpful with an overall drop over the next 3 days to just about normal for the time of year. The very cold air over the North of America is gradually extending over Greenland and Barents with northerly winds now moving into the latter areas.

Elsewhere Kara, Laptev and the ESS are experiencing a southerly drift from the 'warmer' Siberian plains, but it should be realised that the maximum temps being recorded are still around -10C to -20C so any ice loss is caused by the ice being pushed northwards by the winds, not by ice melt.

The normal Arctic sea ice extent maximum is recorded within the next 10 days, so it will be interesting to watch the daily figures.

The other point of interest is that the 'Central' Arctic region has hit a total maximum (3,248K Km2) in the last few days - since the main pack has now moved below the 80 degree line of latitude to the west of Svalbard for the first time for 5 years (expand the graphic below and then use the zoom button/feature). It has also reached Bear Island (between Svalbard and Norway) for the 2nd consecutive year, so that the locals (scientists) can go on their bear count again this year. Last year they saw the highest numbers recorded for some years.

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The weather after the expected maximum (5days) is not at all certain yet, with the ECM and GFS at  loggerheads! (whats new I hear you say!) 

Anyway I have some very good news from the Mosaic project, as at about 9:15 this morning our time,  the KD docked about a mile off the PS, to rapturous applause on the KD we are told!.

Yesterday they started the transfer by helicopter (about 20miles apart)  but after 2 people were exchanged, they had to abandon again when the weather intervened.

The PS approached within about 70Km of the pole at its closest but is being directed away again in a mainly southerly direction now that the northerlies are setting in.  

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Masie - The DRAMA Queen

Masie today reported the ice extent as 14,999.007Km2. So still refusing to give up its barrier.  

Anyone remember the 4 minute mile?

The total change over the leap year day and the previous day, as I forecast,  was within spitting distance of 15K Km2.

This was achieved by a massive gain in Barents of (+98K), as predicted, as the wind and colder air descended into the area from the north, into recently melted sea waters. Elsewhere losses of (-4K) in Greenland and Baffin. Also a small (-3K) loss in Bering and SOO.

Perhaps the biggest surprise was (+5K) gain in the Baltic.

Temperatures in the Arctic continued to fall, and as forecast have reached their normal values for the time of year. (and about the coldest for this refreeze season).

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Cold weather still persists in all the key areas of the Arctic, so it looks as if further gains will be made in the short-term, even though, as previously reported, winds are more important at this late  stage in the ice re-freeze season..

MIA

 

 

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  • Location: Neath Valleys, South Wales 109m asl
  • Location: Neath Valleys, South Wales 109m asl

Theoretically speaking.. 

The longer the strat vortex remains at record strength.. The more cold is bottled up over the artic.. Allows more ice to refreeze for longer? 

 

Its a shame we can't access data from the last ice age to see wether a well organised strat actually increases sea ice growth and thus bigger freezes. 

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  • Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset
  • Weather Preferences: Hot sunny , cold and snowy, thunderstorms
  • Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset

Could the polar vortex become even bigger and thus spread over lower latitudes in future years, pushing the jet stream further south?

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Today Masie finally succumbed to the pressure built up by the Vortex?

Masie recorded 15,047KKm2 an increase of  47K Km2 on yesterday's figures. (day 61).

I refer you back to my post of Feb 22nd for the !5,000KKm2  details over the last 15 years.

Relevant details copied here below -

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Historical years for achieving this 'barrier' -

2016  for 5 days starting at day 057 with a max of 15077K KM2.

2014 for 30 days at day 051 (today) with a max of 15407K KM2.

2013 for 45 days at day 046 with a max of 154667K Km2 

2012 for 25 days at day 048 with a max of 15676K Km2.

2011 for 4 days at day 058 with a max of 15110K Km2.

2010 for 41 days at day 051 with a max of 15345KKm2.

It is going to be seen how far up this table we can get this year(if at all), particularly as we started below the all time low at the beginning of October by about 250K Km2, and about 750K Km2 below the average for this decade.

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The  increases today were recorded in Baffin (+19K), Bering (+7K) and the SOO(+21K).

My favourite for  increases, Barents, has apparently seen no changes at all for the last 2 days. US NIC looks to be questionable again.  I again await tomorrow's data with interest.

The forecast outlook  for ice still looks good, so we may squeeze a little more ice extent out of poor Masie yet, that is before we reach the maximum.!! 

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and the temperature (according to DMI above 80 degrees lat) has now gone below the long term average for the first time this winter season.

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which should at least help to thicken the central ice.

On that subject, I notice that the DMI thickness and volume map has not been updated since 17th Feb.image.thumb.png.425cd2fd1dd9f74b3f2f6e6a53e9e2bc.png

 

I suspect  we may well be seeing a new release very soon. Hopefully to resolve the issues introduced by the Oct 1st upgrade.

MIA

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Worth reporting more large increases today (+56K) up to a total of 15,103K KM2, (normal increase is about 10K at this time of the year) and already overtaking 2016 in the table above (which was 15,077K)

Kara filled in again (+15K) as the northerlies moved in and Bering (+39K) was also a  main contributor.

Temperature within the Arctic circle continued to tumble -

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Now showing the lowest temperature for the last 3 years at an average of -31.5C. (241K)

MIA

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  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow,Thunderstorms mix both for heaven THUNDERSNOW 😜😀🤤🥰
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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Thanks  KW..  Still not convinced we have a 'hole'. A reduced amount - certainly

Masie update shows we have passed another of the 'barrier' markers...

This time 2011 as todays Masie comes in at 15,129KKm2  An increase of 26K  Km2 over yesterday.

So the 2011  record extent of 15,110K Km2 goes by the board.

I think we will be lucky to reach the next marker 2010 at 15,345K Km2, but we can always hope as the DMI temperature continues to fall to new record lows - 

image.thumb.png.c851f90497fc2cb53249eafb75d17168.png        240.5K is now the new low.

 

With large areas now below -35C minimum temps.

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MIA

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  • Location: Redhill, Surrey
  • Weather Preferences: Southerly tracking LPs, heavy snow. Also 25c and calm
  • Location: Redhill, Surrey

MIA

 

Been a fascinating winter and looks to be a Spring just as fascinating coming too.  That is some cold up there....funnily we haven’t seen or heard anything about the incredible recovery this winter anywhere on mainstream.....so thanks for all your reports.

 

BFTP    

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  • Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset
  • Weather Preferences: Hot sunny , cold and snowy, thunderstorms
  • Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset

I bet we will here plenty come summer, if it turns out to be a big melt season!

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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, Snow and Storms
  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl

Thanks BFTP...

Todays Masie has recorded a 66K Km2 drop today, despite  yet another fall in temperatures. 

Searching back over the records of DMI it was last lower at 237K in 2013, and before that 2010 reached 235K.

So we are really looking at a 1 in 10 year event for the cold in the actual Arctic circle. 

Checking the forecast on Climate Reanalyser (GFS) we are in for even lower temperatures in the next 10days.

It forecasts  an average of -34C over the next 3 days (a lot of areas below -40C - see Table 1 below) with not a great diurnal change.  After that, ,just wow (up to 10 days),   follows up with some even colder weather at night (sun above horizon in the northern hemisphere now),  with temps below -55C (and Greenland  and Canada going off the scale below -60C) over many areas and average temps still around -35C. (Table 2).

I suspect those temps would be record breaking for the Arctic, for the time of year.

Table 1   (today)

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to this         -    Table2  (first minimums, second average)

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HOWEVER - it is a GFS forecast!!!!!

 

Whilst on the topic of records, my mates were 'ribbing' me today over a major news item on BBC recently (yesterday?), that the Antarctic is 'burning up' with temperatures over 20C. Now I haven't  seen this (or even heard of it). I had seen the report of 18.9C having been reached about 3 weeks ago, for about 1 hour during a fohn event in one small spot in the equivalent of the Scilly Isles, but no - this was caused by the Oceans becoming increasingly warm to such an extent all around Antarctica  that the sea life which had evolved in the -2C sea temps would be decimated!!!  Poor things! … and all caused by people like me!!!

and...It is all happening now!!! I assured them that it was particularly bad news for me, as I loved to eat sea food so much! 

Not even my explanation that it will take thousands of years (possibly hundreds of them. probably never) for the Antarctic Ocean to reach this situation would calm their fears!!

Anyone on here,  hear the report, and is it all scaremongering by the BBC environmentalists (again)?.

Anyway I said I was aware that the Arctic was breaking 10 year old ice and low temperature records just now, but they said the BBC was not reporting that, so  it must be incorrect.......

Anyone care to enlighten me where I can look to get confirmation on the Antarctic reports?

 

MIA 

 

 

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  • Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset
  • Weather Preferences: Hot sunny , cold and snowy, thunderstorms
  • Location: Weston-S-Mare North Somerset

It was the BBC again, I think it was on the news a couple of days ago. Can't seem to find it now though.

However,  there is something about Europe having a warm winter. It's on their science and environment section.

Nothing about cold Artic,  and it's gone very quiet over in Australia, nothing about the unprecedented amounts of rain parts of Australia are experiencing. 

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  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow,Thunderstorms mix both for heaven THUNDERSNOW 😜😀🤤🥰
  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL

@Midlands Ice Age Antarctica

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A record high temperature of 20.75C has been registered in Antarctica, exceeding the 20C mark for the first time. The measurement was made...
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The temperature was recorded on an island off the Antarctic continent's northern tip.

 

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