Summer 2019 - Moans, Ramps, Chat etc

[Wildswimmer Pete]

4 minutes ago, Froze were the Days said:

Sometimes wonder if you live in another country...but 15c is some 10c colder than here in Essex today - incredible! As I said a few weeks ago you need to move down here

It's down to fronts constantly parked on top of Merseyside and N. Cheshire during this so-called "summer" with sunnier conditions either side.

[East Lancs Rain]

Sunday - 29° and Sunny

Three days later - 16° Dark gloomy cloud and rain

 

Seems like we’ve either had boiling hot sunny weather or chilly wet weather this Summer, no happy medium, alough the first three weeks of July were okay. I’d be much happier with some cool, dry and cloudy or some cool, dry and sunny weather for September.

[East Lancs Rain]

13 hours ago, markyo said:

What a difference 12 hrs makes,first time i've felt alive in days,the drop in humidity is amazing,so much better. Best 6 months of the year coming up as well weather wise! Autumn is walking down the garden path and is just about to knock on the door,can't wait!

As much as I’ve hated the oven-like conditions of the last few days, now that the cold front has passed through it’s too cold - it feels really chilly and damp outside - in fact I can even see my own breath. There’s just no happy medium at the moment.

 

Looks like a nice cool, sunny and breezy day coming up tommorow, before the next weather system arrives on Friday.

Edited August 28, 2019 by East Lancs Rain

[East Lancs Rain]

19 hours ago, Nath said:

Well the summer has had hideous heat on too many days, and not many "nice warm" days.  Its either cloudy, wet or too hot.    And unlike the 80s 90s and 00s, a severe lack of storms to match the stupidly hot spells we have had to suffer. 

Global warming is like an STD, lots of negatives and no positives whatsoever!! 

I agree. Only thing I can suggest is moving to the far south west ie West Cornwall. They are much more moderated by the sea so tend to escape most of the heat and it’s one of the sunniest parts of the country. 

 

In Penzance for example it’s been 19/20° and sunny most days this summer according to my weather app. Perfect weather in my book. Doesn’t seem to get much thunder though.

 

https://weather.com/en-GB/weather/tenday/l/61cafcc6c397158e3dc8c5e29d6cd367a6006a2d5b6e9453188b27912c2a5f59

Edited August 28, 2019 by East Lancs Rain

[East Lancs Rain]

29 minutes ago, Froze were the Days said:

Sometimes wonder if you live in another country...but 15c is some 10c colder than here in Essex today - incredible! As I said a few weeks ago you need to move down here

It’s just because the cold front reaches the North West of England first. The past few days here have been hot and humid just like down in the South East. However now it feels too cold and damp. By tommorow we’ll all be in the cooler airmass.

[Weather-history]

Manchester Summer Indices 

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2017 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194
1902 195
1915 196
1981 196
1928 197
1962 197
1964 197
2004 197
1952 198
2000 198
2019 198 (up to 28th August)
1930 199
1974 199
1979 199
1918 200
1944 200
2002 200
1951 201 

[hillbilly]

3 hours ago, Weather-history said:

Manchester Summer Indices 

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2017 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194
1902 195
1915 196
1981 196
1928 197
1962 197
1964 197
2004 197
1952 198
2000 198
2019 198 (up to 28th August)
1930 199
1974 199
1979 199
1918 200
1944 200
2002 200
1951 201 

2000 and 2004 were way better than this summer in these parts!

[Freeze]

Blue skies and already 19.5c with 70%humidity and a light breeze from the south west, still waiting for the ‘shock to the system’...

[mushymanrob]

1 hour ago, hillbilly said:

2000 and 2004 were way better than this summer in these parts!

............ or is it selective memory (not deliberate)... i prefer actual stats over memory.

[MIKE LEVITT]

met office keep mentioning unsettled weather,but when you actually read forecast ,its anything but in the south.most of rain in the northwest.

[Weather-history]

21 minutes ago, mushymanrob said:

............ or is it selective memory (not deliberate)... i prefer actual stats over memory.

Even using memory, nothing to me stands out about the summer of 2000 apart from a short hot spell mid June and England beating the West Indies at the cricket. Both Julys (2000,2004) were unimpressive months for summery weather

[hillbilly]

2 hours ago, MIKE LEVITT said:

met office keep mentioning unsettled weather,but when you actually read forecast ,its anything but in the south.most of rain in the northwest.

I am a little different to most on here as basing my summers from a farming point of view particularly that of making hay. You can look at the stats all you like but historically in my memory from the early 70s the vest majority of haymaking was done from mid June to early August.Yes there have been poor summers but until the 2008 I could count on 2 fingers the years we hadn't finished by the end of August with the vast majority of years completed by end of July.Simce 2008 however there have been several years people have been haymaking in September simply because July and August has been so poor.Yes like this year the sunshine figures have been reasonable but you cannot make hay between showers  and if you have noticed farmers are still trying to make hay crops which should have been made weeks ago and my brother still has a little more to do which is now going into September.My memories of 2000 and 2004 were much better with some good spells of settled sunny spells and our haymaking was finished in July and yes I know all about August 2004 before anyone needs to remind me!

[hillbilly]

6 minutes ago, hillbilly said:

I am a little different to most on here as basing my summers from a farming point of view particularly that of making hay. You can look at the stats all you like but historically in my memory from the early 70s the vest majority of haymaking was done from mid June to early August.Yes there have been poor summers but until the 2008 I could count on 2 fingers the years we hadn't finished by the end of August with the vast majority of years completed by end of July.Simce 2008 however there have been several years people have been haymaking in September simply because July and August has been so poor.Yes like this year the sunshine figures have been reasonable but you cannot make hay between showers  and if you have noticed farmers are still trying to make hay crops which should have been made weeks ago and my brother still has a little more to do which is now going into September.My memories of 2000 and 2004 were much better with some good spells of settled sunny spells and our haymaking was finished in July and yes I know all about August 2004 before anyone needs to remind me!

OOpa sorry Mike that is a reply to Mushymanrob

[mushymanrob]

34 minutes ago, hillbilly said:

I am a little different to most on here as basing my summers from a farming point of view particularly that of making hay. You can look at the stats all you like but historically in my memory from the early 70s the vest majority of haymaking was done from mid June to early August.Yes there have been poor summers but until the 2008 I could count on 2 fingers the years we hadn't finished by the end of August with the vast majority of years completed by end of July.Simce 2008 however there have been several years people have been haymaking in September simply because July and August has been so poor.Yes like this year the sunshine figures have been reasonable but you cannot make hay between showers  and if you have noticed farmers are still trying to make hay crops which should have been made weeks ago and my brother still has a little more to do which is now going into September.My memories of 2000 and 2004 were much better with some good spells of settled sunny spells and our haymaking was finished in July and yes I know all about August 2004 before anyone needs to remind me!

similarly my occupation as a grass cutting contractor taints my view, or gives it a different perspective. the more dry days - the better, even if, like this year, when its rained, its rained very heavily.

[Scorcher]

4 hours ago, Weather-history said:

Even using memory, nothing to me stands out about the summer of 2000 apart from a short hot spell mid June and England beating the West Indies at the cricket. Both Julys (2000,2004) were unimpressive months for summery weather

This summer has been far more memorable than 2000 or 2004. There have been a lot of frustrating periods this year in these parts but we have at least had quite a few hot days and have reached 30C on more than one occasion. The hot spells, while not particularly lengthy, have been properly hot.

As you say I struggle to remember anything about the summer of 2000- the one thing I do recall is a very short hot spell in late June around the time England beat Germany at Euro 2000.

[I remember Atlantic 252]

6 minutes ago, Scorcher said:

This summer has been far more memorable than 2000 or 2004. There have been a lot of frustrating periods this year in these parts but we have at least had quite a few hot days and have reached 30C on more than one occasion. The hot spells, while not particularly lengthy, have been properly hot.

As you say I struggle to remember anything about the summer of 2000- the one thing I do recall is a very short hot spell in late June around the time England beat Germany at Euro 2000.

only thing I recall about Summer 2000, is the best radio ever, 'non stop rhythm and dance' the New Atlantic 252, tha days

Edited August 29, 2019 by I remember Atlantic 252

[Snowyowl9]

2000 wasn`t great for haymaking here started on july 13th unlike this year which was june 27th and we had a good to great 3 week spell.

2004 was even worse latest ever haymaking finish all done by September 2nd very frustrating year for that but great for thunderstorms both 2000 and 2004 can`t have both I suppose.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Snowyowl9

[Thundery wintry showers]

August 2000 was pretty decent in Tyneside, especially the second half, but July was distinctly dreich with maximum temperatures about 1.5C below the average and about 60-70% of the normal sunshine.  June was a mainly dry cloudy month but with over a month's worth of rain on the 3rd/4th and a heatwave in the third week which raised temperatures slightly above the long-term average.  And 2004 was a very, very wet summer in that part of the country, although with near or just slightly below average sunshine in all three months.  Not sure what those two summers were like in the Exeter area.

2019 will go down as the strangest summer that I have experienced so far - lots of cloudy wet weather, but also a dry sunny first half of July, and apart from that, every time we've had a significant bout of warm/hot sunny weather it has broken temperature records across Europe and sometimes the UK.

 

[Scorcher]

39 minutes ago, Thundery wintry showers said:

 

2019 will go down as the strangest summer that I have experienced so far - lots of cloudy wet weather, but also a dry sunny first half of July, and apart from that, every time we've had a significant bout of warm/hot sunny weather it has broken temperature records across Europe and sometimes the UK.

 

Agree with this, and that's partly what makes this summer memorable. It certainly hasn't been a bog-standard summer that's for sure. The heatwaves have been very impressive when they've arrived.

[damianslaw]

An odd summer in many respect, generally average temperature wise with exception of three punches of heat in late June, mid-late July rather longer lasting, and a very short one last weekend - these spells of heat have been very noticeable though. Sunshine wise - average at best. Rainfall wise, wetter than normal, notably so at times in June and more so August. July the best month of the three months. By no means a poor summer, but also not one of the very good ones. Overall I'd rate it 6.5 out of 10 thanks largely to the heat at times.

[Weather-history]

11 hours ago, Snowyowl9 said:

 

2004 was even worse latest ever haymaking finish all done by September 2nd very frustrating year for that but great for thunderstorms both 2000 and 2004 can`t have both I suppose.

How cool (temperatures) was that mid June-July period in 2004? 

17th-30th June 2004 CET: 13.1C

1st-13th July 2004 CET: 14.1C

The 19th of June had a CET mean of just 10.0C

about 99mmm of rainfall for England and Wales in that period.

That was a really poor period of summer weather.

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Weather-history

[mb018538]

12 hours ago, damianslaw said:

An odd summer in many respect, generally average temperature wise with exception of three punches of heat in late June, mid-late July rather longer lasting, and a very short one last weekend - these spells of heat have been very noticeable though. Sunshine wise - average at best. Rainfall wise, wetter than normal, notably so at times in June and more so August. July the best month of the three months. By no means a poor summer, but also not one of the very good ones. Overall I'd rate it 6.5 out of 10 thanks largely to the heat at times.

A number of places have recorded a warmer than average, sunnier than average and wetter than average summer in 2019. Does this trio of stats come in together very often? I wouldn't have thought so? Does anyone know?

[East Lancs Rain]

3 hours ago, mb018538 said:

A number of places have recorded a warmer than average, sunnier than average and wetter than average summer in 2019. Does this trio of stats come in together very often? I wouldn't have thought so? Does anyone know?

I don't know, but as others have said, it's certainly been a summer of contrasts. The appalling first half of June (when people were wondering if it was going to be like this for the whole summer), the dry and benign first three weeks of July, the wet August (with the 2nd and 3rd week cool as well) interspersed with short periods of very hot weather. 

 

In my opinion, I think it's been a frustrating summer because of short freak heatwaves being balanced out by long periods of cool and unsettled weather. I don't enjoy very hot weather (above 25c) but I don't like long periods of cool wet weather either as it gets depressing after awhile.

 

I would have personally preferred a more quiet and benign summer with longer periods of mainly dry conditions and slightly above average temperatures with shorter cool and unsettled periods, but it is what it is, I guess. 

 

The first three weeks of July were the best part of this summer in my opinion as we had a lot of dry and sunny weather but it wasn't too hot and the worst part of the summer was the first half of June because of the excessive rain and unseasonably cold temperatures.

 

I hope next year we get a more bog-standard summer, with longer spells of dry and quiet weather with just brief unsettled periods with the occasional thunderstorm to keep things interesting. Also a Spanish plume in July because a British summer wouldn't be complete without one.

Edited August 30, 2019 by East Lancs Rain

[East Lancs Rain]

19°C, Mostly Cloudy with a fresh South-Westerly wind. Ahhhhh, that's more like it.   Finally a normal summers day!

Edited August 30, 2019 by East Lancs Rain

[Met.]

My view on the summer, been an odd all over the place summer.There's been both notable warmer days and wet weather. Also been dull according the metoffice sun hr stats.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Thundershine