Positive changes: What kind of lifestyle changes are or might you be making going forward to help the planet?

[BornFromTheVoid]

This all feels a bit like a gambler. Someone that had a short period of success but now is almost broke, with his home, family, and career on the line. He starts asking around for solutions, but with the caveat that nobody suggests he stops gambling or reduce how much he gambles. Anyone that suggests those things he decries as naive and unrealistic, insinuates ulterior motives for suggesting them and uses whatever he can to try attack their character.

[weirpig]

8 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

This all feels a bit like a gambler. Someone that had a short period of success but now is almost broke, with his home, family, and career on the line. He starts asking around for solutions, but with the caveat that nobody suggests he stops gambling or reduce how much he gambles. Anyone that suggests those things he decries as naive and unrealistic, insinuates ulterior motives for suggesting them and uses whatever he can to try attack their character.

Sometimes  you have to know when you a beat.    best of luck in saving the planet. 

[Methuselah]

33 minutes ago, weirpig said:

Sometimes  you have to know when you a beat.    best of luck in saving the planet. 

Tis good to know that the future of Planet Earth is in such capable hands.

[weirpig]

1 minute ago, SteveB said:

Why is the post above allowed to stay?

It offers no more or no less than the post I made which was moved.

Ahh  tis not for us to reason why.  we must all be assimilated.  

[Gray-Wolf]

Couple of things, If someone robbed you and the authorities found your property would you just say 'Nah! , let 'em keep it I'm sure they worked hard for it?' ??? 

This is the 'redistribution of wealth' that I refer to and some here feel it 'unfair' to legally claim what is rightfully (by our laws and international laws?) 'Ours'?

Will you not care that this 'thefted wealth' will render you unable to live out your full life (and your children even less of a life span?)

The current system is built for ,and administered by, the same folk robbing us blind!

If we wish to have a crack at realistically trying to mitigate what we have set in motion for our Planet we need to work within the laws but regain the thefted monies

Play them at their own game

Beat them

Smash that game so it can never be played again!

This IS political in the broadest sense of the word, WE did not make it so but we must work within the current frameworks to take the control we need to save our Planet....... or not.......up to us now, this is the 'Positive Changes' needed.

No twaddling around the edges any more.....that is all 3 decades too late!!!

[SteveB]

16 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:

Couple of things, If someone robbed you and the authorities found your property would you just say 'Nah! , let 'em keep it I'm sure they worked hard for it?' ??? 

This is the 'redistribution of wealth' that I refer to and some here feel it 'unfair' to legally claim what is rightfully (by our laws and international laws?) 'Ours'?

Will you not care that this 'thefted wealth' will render you unable to live out your full life (and your children even less of a life span?)

The current system is built for ,and administered by, the same folk robbing us blind!

If we wish to have a crack at realistically trying to mitigate what we have set in motion for our Planet we need to work within the laws but regain the thefted monies

Play them at their own game

Beat them

Smash that game so it can never be played again!

This IS political in the broadest sense of the word, WE did not make it so but we must work within the current frameworks to take the control we need to save our Planet....... or not.......up to us now, this is the 'Positive Changes' needed.

No twaddling around the edges any more.....that is all 3 decades too late!!!

Wow, just wow.

[Devonian]

17 minutes ago, SteveB said:

Wow, just wow.

^^^ Is my reaction to those who glibly say we've had it, or there is nothing we can do, or behave like gamblers as per BFTV'd excellent point above.

 

[Devonian]

5 hours ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

This all feels a bit like a gambler. Someone that had a short period of success but now is almost broke, with his home, family, and career on the line. He starts asking around for solutions, but with the caveat that nobody suggests he stops gambling or reduce how much he gambles. Anyone that suggests those things he decries as naive and unrealistic, insinuates ulterior motives for suggesting them and uses whatever he can to try attack their character.

What an excellent simile

[Paul]

And off we head again, for those (on both sides) who have nothing to add other than snipes and digs at others, maybe just don't post and wait until you have something constructive to add to the discussion...

[Gray-Wolf]

17 hours ago, Paul said:

And off we head again, for those (on both sides) who have nothing to add other than snipes and digs at others, maybe just don't post and wait until you have something constructive to add to the discussion...

If you're not part of the solution......

I find , over on twitbot, a lot of folk have been quite blissfully unaware of just how bad we have let things become for our Planet?

I think it is a combination of the Human hard wiring (if it's not in our face we do not bother/fight or flight) & cynical manipulation by those unwilling to see the massive change needed to salve the wounds awaiting us and having the power to 'influence the media we are subjected too?

As such we still have folk trading IPCC projections unaware of how many forcings were 'expurgated' (at the behest of the same 5 Nations with vested interests & with the threat of no 'sign off' if their demands are not adhered to?) from those figures ( degradation of permafrost and the megatonnage of GHG's this brings with it)

I have seen nothing to disabuse me of my sad 'reality' that we will need to see a big impact 'Black Swan' event before many folks 'fight or Flight is triggered and ,all of a sudden, they find themselves desperate for reassurances that are no longer there.

The 'little thing' you can do is make yourself visible? Turn out for a school strike or an XR gathering, let yourself be counted!

[Gray-Wolf]

18 hours ago, Devonian said:

^^^ Is my reaction to those who glibly say we've had it, or there is nothing we can do, or behave like gamblers as per BFTV'd excellent point above.

 

You need to accept that for every soul that dismisses the propaganda pushed by 'paid deniers' (over the decades) there were those who took it hook,line,sinker & copy of Angling Times Dev? 

It takes a strong soul to reject all they thought they knew and embrace the facts esp. when those facts bring no comfort?

As I say above come the first 'Black Swan' (be it ice sheet slumping & rapid melt driven by ice cliff instability or be it 'unexpected' emmisions from the degrading permafrost et al?) most folk will suddenly be rushing to catch up after those log years of ignorance/denial?

Some never will accept that this current global socio economic system is (proven) the devil incarnate because of the 'gains' we feel we have made via its operation? Again , until the final reckoning folk do not know the 'real costs' of such?

Were they really worth the world?

Folk who think they can live this way ,die ,and leave that reckoning to their kids.....well, any words for such folks???

I'd better leave it there and take my back seat again.

As I say I 'retired' from this in 2014 when that last nail was hammered into our coffins, I will continue my work over on twitbox where my outreach is making a difference to those brave enough to wish to 'catch up' on where we are and what we now face.

[Methuselah]

I don't see how destroying the Capitalist system will help save the planet: not only do we all depend on Capitalism...who's going to create all the green-energy technology on which our continued existence will ultimately rely?

[DAVID SNOW]

A true 'believer' would certainly not be using the internet/social media or electricity for that matter to 'spread' the word, you cant have it both ways lol!

 

[weirpig]

3 hours ago, DAVID SNOW said:

A true 'believer' would certainly not be using the internet/social media or electricity for that matter to 'spread' the word, you cant have it both ways lol!

 

Lol very true   maybe write  climate change is upon us  in the vapour trails  of a jumbo  would suffice  

Edited October 5, 2019 by weirpig

[Methuselah]

The word is spreading:

The farmers joining Extinction Rebellion

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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They want to highlight the fact they are one of the industries worst...

 

[DAVID SNOW]

4 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

The word is spreading:

The farmers joining Extinction Rebellion

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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They want to highlight the fact they are one of the industries worst...

 

Bullocks

[Devonian]

13 hours ago, DAVID SNOW said:

A true 'believer' would certainly not be using the internet/social media or electricity for that matter to 'spread' the word, you cant have it both ways lol!

 

Let he or she without hypocrisy cast the first stone?

[BornFromTheVoid]

14 hours ago, DAVID SNOW said:

A true 'believer' would certainly not be using the internet/social media or electricity for that matter to 'spread' the word, you cant have it both ways lol!

 

Believer in what? Mountains of scientific evidence and expert consensus?

[DAVID SNOW]

19 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

Believer in what? Mountains of scientific evidence and expert consensus?

The overthrowing of the capitalist system to save the planet.

[Devonian]

13 minutes ago, DAVID SNOW said:

The overthrowing of the capitalist system to save the planet.

Ahhhh, you were replying to GW's post? Sorry, that wasn't clear to me.

Anyway, can any of us be free of hypocrisy? Are you free of hypocrisy?

 

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by Devonian

[BornFromTheVoid]

3 hours ago, DAVID SNOW said:

The overthrowing of the capitalist system to save the planet.

Ah right. Still not quite getting it though. Did capitalism invent electricity? Are you aware that the LED display you're most likely using right now was a Soviet invention?

[DAVID SNOW]

4 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

Ah right. Still not quite getting it though. Did capitalism invent electricity? Are you aware that the LED display you're most likely using right now was a Soviet invention?

I don't get it either.

[Gray-Wolf]

The Planet has a finite amount of Capital.

Most of languishes hidden away from the global economic system (& Tax collectors) to what ends?

'Redistribution' of wasted Capital is the only way we can fund the development needed for us to stand a chance of mitigating the worst we have already committed to via our Capitalist 'Forever growth' mantra?

Why is it so difficult (for those who would be unimpacted by such a 'moral redistribution for the good of the many'?) to see this?

Just look at what 'They' have done whilst you were busy looking out for the 'Socialist Bogeyman'? ....Twice the U.S. dead from Vietnam for starters (and not a peep from You?) so the billions committed to a premature Death if we do not act now will just be 'more of the same' for those who now sit unconcerned at our UK 'Needless Deaths'....

But then what if that 'Black Swan' event centres on the UK and it is You that needs aid/refuge in another country?

Might that wake you up the lived reality of millions already suffering today from the climate chaos we have initiated?

Might You then realise that when You condemn others to a premature demise You may be condemning Yourself to such along with them?

Madness, absolute certifiable Madness!!!

[cheeky_monkey]

6 hours ago, Gray-Wolf said:

The Planet has a finite amount of Capital.

Most of languishes hidden away from the global economic system (& Tax collectors) to what ends?

'Redistribution' of wasted Capital is the only way we can fund the development needed for us to stand a chance of mitigating the worst we have already committed to via our Capitalist 'Forever growth' mantra?

Why is it so difficult (for those who would be unimpacted by such a 'moral redistribution for the good of the many'?) to see this?

Just look at what 'They' have done whilst you were busy looking out for the 'Socialist Bogeyman'? ....Twice the U.S. dead from Vietnam for starters (and not a peep from You?) so the billions committed to a premature Death if we do not act now will just be 'more of the same' for those who now sit unconcerned at our UK 'Needless Deaths'....

But then what if that 'Black Swan' event centres on the UK and it is You that needs aid/refuge in another country?

Might that wake you up the lived reality of millions already suffering today from the climate chaos we have initiated?

Might You then realise that when You condemn others to a premature demise You may be condemning Yourself to such along with them?

Madness, absolute certifiable Madness!!!

[Snipper]

I planted a tree today.