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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Outlook - a very familiar scenario. High amplification upstream with a very strong westerly flow exiting the eastern seaboard north of the Bermuda high, This backs sharply in the eastern atlantic as it hits the buffers of the very resilient European high pressure.  Thus the environment in the western Atlantic is very conducive to cyclogenesis and, as the evolution unfolds, it is all about how far east systems associated with this can progress with the UK being the battlefield. Last evening's NOAA gives a good overview of this

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The NH 500mb profile and the surface analysis for midnight and the 0300 UK chart

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As can be seen still some cloud with mist/drizzle in the south east from the old front but this will slowly clear so much of the country will have a relatively clear, and mild, start to the day. But cloud and rain from the cold front associated with the low north west of Ireland is already effecting there and western Scotland..This will track east during the day effecting all areas, particularly Scotland, but becoming very light and patchy as it gets further east. The far south east.will remain dry on another mild day.

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This evening some cloud and patchy rain will continue to effect the south east and this may linger  Whilst central England should stay dry but showery rain will effect western regions, and particularly Scotland, from further weak fronts associated with the aforementioned low which is edging closer to western Scotland. Another frost free morning on Monday

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During Monday the low is filling near the Hebrides and this, with the help of the occlusion. will bring blustery showers to the north west whilst down at the other end of the country the old cold front is getting a new lease of life with some heavier rain.

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Overnight Monday and through Tuesday changes are afoot as the low finally  moves away into Scandinavia, but a new frontal system is quickly on the scene  and rain, with increasing wind, will spread into the north west though Tuesday afternoon and evening, The south east will remain dry and less windy, And note the low that has appeared off the eastern seaboard

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By midday Wednesday this low has undergone explosive cyclogenesis whilst the low to west of Scotland has tracked north over Iceland leaving the top half of the country in warm sector conditions, thus cloudy with sporadic rain Still very mild in the south westerly flow

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By Thursday the pattern mentioned at the beginning is starting to evolve as further amplification occurs and this initiates some quite intense WAA into north west Europe

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Moving forward with the gfs and the opening comments from the above post more or less covers it. All about energy flows and subtle, or not, changes to the pressure distribution, and the high pressure is ahead on points by day ten. Thus generally dry with temps above average but perhaps cooling a tad. As ever the position of the surface high is paramount regarding this

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

In the 5-10 period the ecm has the European high pressure strengthening causing the upper troughs to deconstruct in mid Atlantic  Thus by the end of the run the high cell is over the UK along with a ridiculously warm airmass

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Looking at the EPS it would appear that another key element of the ecm this morning is the movement of the vortex lobe subsequent the cold plunge down western north America. Ending over N. Russia and a east European trough which eventually leads to a less amplified Atlantic/European sector.

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I can see a lot of young Sidneys cavorting in the woods this year

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

To briefly digress for a moment with this snippet from the Siberian Times.

This Kamchatka sea lion relaxing in the sun signals that spring must be on its way... picture credit Ph_Vanifatov

I must admit I did breath a sigh of relief because when I first glanced at it I thought it was a 'coldie' that had given up the ghost

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Prior to the warm end to the week on Wednesday there is deep low 937mb (this been covered previously) in mid Atlantic with the UK in a warm, shower ysouth  westerly.. There follows some quite abrupt amplification which initiates a plume of warm air over the UK on Friday. Temps could possible reach the high teens in some places

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The high pressure consolidates over the weekend but the gfs has a small upper feature wandering up from the south on Sunday?

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The GEFS mean anomaly heading the way of the EPS with the ridge weakening portending more of a WSW flow over the UK and becoming more unsettled although temps maybe still a tad above average.

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  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Snow then clear and frosty.
  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl

A little bit of a cool off in week 2 as the warmth from the far south eases with more of an Atlantic influence showing as the upper flow veers towards more of south west to west as the high becomes less amplified.

ECM mean for days 5/10

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A look at the 2m temperature gefs anomalies for 5 day means from day 1-5 and then 10-14 show the cool off

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The overall picture though still shows mild for the next 2 weeks with much of any rainfall more likely over western and northern fringes on the periphery of the high.

No real change to the polar profile with low heights remaining steadfast to our north right to the end of the Winter quarter.A pretty uneventful mild and quiet period set to bring the curtain down on a pretty nondescript "cold" season.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
3 hours ago, knocker said:

The GEFS mean anomaly heading the way of the EPS with the ridge weakening portending more of a WSW flow over the UK and becoming more unsettled although temps maybe still a tad above average.

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And the EPS continues to indicate similar

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  • Location: st albans
  • Location: st albans
1 hour ago, knocker said:

And the EPS continues to indicate similar

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The ridge has shown signs of lessening a few days ago, only to come back again ....... I wonder if later week 2 will indeed see its demise ....

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

To continue with the gfs in the right thread

Through the first  half of next week a further deep low swings into the Atlantic but with the high pressure getting some renewed vigor  the UK stays dry and very warm but some rain may creep into the north west from time to time. But by Thursday there are signs that the blocking ridge may be on the wane.

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And the GEFS ext mean anomaly not adverse to this

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  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth
  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth

Clusters D15 this morning:

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Ridge declining, still possibilities for well above average temperatures on cluster 1 with a breakdown likely, cluster 2 already in a changeable flow, whilst outlier cluster 3 still clings to the hope of a minor Scandi ridge.

In essence, little sign of a wintry return as we go into March except in a brief PM burst for northern hills (just maybe).

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The start of the rapid pattern transition this week. At midday tomorrow the little (then) upper low can be seen leaving the north east coast of America south of the trough near the tip of Greenland

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Twenty four hours later

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And another 24 hours with the now elongated trough and the flow sweeping up from the Azores over the UK

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Outlook - becoming mild, maybe exceptionally for a time, and generally settled but perhaps with the exception of the north west

The NH 500mb profile and surface analysis for midnight and the 0500 WV

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A chilly and bright start to the day and for many places it will remain sunny but cloud will spread in from the west by late morning as the next frontal system approaches and rain will be into N. Ireland by midday. This will track north east through the rest of today and overnight effecting all areas apart from the far south but much the heavier rain will be in the north west, particularly western Scotland, where two or three inches a possibility.Temps still a tad above average and no frost by the morning. And to note the oft discussed deep low has arrived in the western Atlantic

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By Wednesday the low associated with the fronts is south east of Iceland but the wriggling cold front is still effecting norther regions so still rain and quite strong winds here whilst further south remains dry But as can be seen the low to the west has deepened and warm is being advected into the UK on the south westerly flow

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Over Wednesday night and through Thursday amplification occurs and the upper trough to the west digs further south thus advecting even warmer air into the UK courtesy the long fetch along the eastern flank. Thus generally warm and settled but still quite windy in the north with perhaps some bits and bobs of rain.

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This remains the theme over Friday and Saturday, thus continuing settled but perhaps even warmer as slight adjustments of the upper pattern results in even warmer air being advected into the country. Max temps are in the lap of the gods but certainly mid to high teens quite likely.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Continuing with the gfs. Pretty much along a similar theme until  T168, albeit cooling down a little, but thereafter a touch complicated. By T192 the high pressure is starting to ridge NW within the diverse energy flows and this remains the case through to day ten. The upshot of all this is that the UK remains generally dry but a tad cooler but temps still above average.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The GEFs mean anomaly this morning still in line with the trend that has been indicated recently. Quite intense upstream amplification with a strong westerly upper flow exiting the eastern seaboard, diverging in the eastern Atlantic around a weakening European ridge to the Franz Joseph vortex/trough Portending more unsettled with a N/S split with temps nearer average

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

On the other hand the EPS does toy with the idea of a more negatively tilted Atlantic trough which facilitates ridging north west from Europe

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

Tuesday 19th feb

Ec-gfs has actually linked both ridges across the pole since the above, noaa not quite but all 3 look pretty similar in uk/Europe area with quite strong atlantic  beneath major trough there

So quite mild and dry looks the main feature, temporary spells of rain chiefly for nw’ern areas, ? record T values in places.

No sign at all on the charts below of any real cold 6-10 nor on noaa 8-14 outlook charts

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/610day/500mb.php

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html

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