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2 hours ago, 78/79 said:

Thought I might enrol on the Sex and Socialism course, and maybe have a little dabble with the Gangsters, Cowboys, and Drag Kings course if I have the time .😂

Well, on this thread alone I note underlying ageism, mysogyny, homophobia and racism - all in my mind, of course except for the fact that it is typed quite clearly on here. 

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1 hour ago, ciel said:

Well, on this thread alone I note underlying ageism, mysogyny, homophobia and racism - all in my mind, of course except for the fact that it is typed quite clearly on here. 

If you say so, 😂 

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3 hours ago, Ed Stone said:

It's YOU'RE! It's HAVEN'T! It's UNBELIEVABLE!...Didn't they teach basic spelling and grammar, at whatever school you attended? Anyway, back in the 1960s, it was hippies, flower power and yetis who were about to destroy Western civilis(z)ation...

Clearly, little changes from one gammon-generation to another...the overweening arrogance being made even more laughable by illiteracy!

Not to forget the split infinitive.:oldlaugh:

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10 hours ago, ciel said:

Funny how a thread can inadvertently expose people's (worrying) prejudices. 

It is worrying when someone with a different opinion is viewed as being or having prejudice..that's what snowflakes do..if they don't like your opinion resort to name calling and making blanket statements about people's character rather than debating the point

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Since this thread is just a criticism of ‘snow flakes’, I thought I’d balance things out.

Baby boomers have no idea how lucky they were. Baby boomers entered a rapidly expanding jobs market and had relatively cheap education. They had nowhere near a ruthless job market and didn’t have to pay huge tuition fees if they wanted to take education further (which most in my generation feel pressured to do due to the increasingly demanding job market).

I also feel they they just spend time criticising millennials just because its trendy to do so and I know many who spend just as much time on social media and forums etc. whilst criticising them. Baby boomers were also the generation of excess. It is the ‘more more more’ attitude that caused them to take excess risk. They ran the banks that made the awful, greedy decisions that triggered the 2008 economic crash, especially when it came to lending mortgages with adjustable interest rates.

They have little regard for the environment, climate change deniers are most common amongst the baby boomer group and yet they are the ones who won’t be around to face their own consequences. It will be millennials who face the impacts, as if the financial crisis wasn’t enough.

We are always criticised for our sense of entitlement yet the cost of living is so much higher for our generation. Baby boomers started their careers at a more prosperous time then us, so why blame us for being frustrated? Isn’t each generation supposed to leave things in a better state for the next?

We are the smartest most open minded generation yet (whereas racism, sexism and homophobia are most common amongst baby boomers). We don’t smoke 40 fags a day and our generation drink far less then the previous generations. Nothing we can do is right.

As if the economic crash wasn’t enough your generation decided to vote for Brexit which will hold this country back for many decades. Our economy will go down the toilet and it makes the world a more dangerous place. What good has happened to our country since Brexit? I’m fed up of reading about grumpy old men spreading their misery amongst those who are younger and delibrately going against what we do.

After the EU referendum my fellow PhD students were told by mainly older people to ‘go back to their country’. The only people who have said anything rude about my disability are older people. Ah yes, it is us snowflakes that are the problem…, you can never blame yourselves and your decisions for things getting worse, it is always someone else.

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On 22/12/2018 at 09:59, BornFromTheVoid said:

Just seen this now.

Something I can relate to. Depression struck me just as my final year was reaching its climax, at first I thought I was just burnt out or suffering the after effects of a nasty virus. Something that has shaped my life ever since.

Can't get more real world than an anxious, depression ridden graduate working in a supermarket 5 days a week!

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8 hours ago, Quicksilver1989 said:

Since this thread is just a criticism of ‘snow flakes’, I thought I’d balance things out.

Baby boomers have no idea how lucky they were. Baby boomers entered a rapidly expanding jobs market and had relatively cheap education. They had nowhere near a ruthless job market and didn’t have to pay huge tuition fees if they wanted to take education further (which most in my generation feel pressured to do due to the increasingly demanding job market).

I also feel they they just spend time criticising millennials just because its trendy to do so and I know many who spend just as much time on social media and forums etc. whilst criticising them. Baby boomers were also the generation of excess. It is the ‘more more more’ attitude that caused them to take excess risk. They ran the banks that made the awful, greedy decisions that triggered the 2008 economic crash, especially when it came to lending mortgages with adjustable interest rates.

They have little regard for the environment, climate change deniers are most common amongst the baby boomer group and yet they are the ones who won’t be around to face their own consequences. It will be millennials who face the impacts, as if the financial crisis wasn’t enough.

We are always criticised for our sense of entitlement yet the cost of living is so much higher for our generation. Baby boomers started their careers at a more prosperous time then us, so why blame us for being frustrated? Isn’t each generation supposed to leave things in a better state for the next?

We are the smartest most open minded generation yet (whereas racism, sexism and homophobia are most common amongst baby boomers). We don’t smoke 40 fags a day and our generation drink far less then the previous generations. Nothing we can do is right.

As if the economic crash wasn’t enough your generation decided to vote for Brexit which will hold this country back for many decades. Our economy will go down the toilet and it makes the world a more dangerous place. What good has happened to our country since Brexit? I’m fed up of reading about grumpy old men spreading their misery amongst those who are younger and delibrately going against what we do.

After the EU referendum my fellow PhD students were told by mainly older people to ‘go back to their country’. The only people who have said anything rude about my disability are older people. Ah yes, it is us snowflakes that are the problem…, you can never blame yourselves and your decisions for things getting worse, it is always someone else.

Believe me it hasn't been  a bed of roses for a lot of us. 

When I first bought a house back in 1981 , interest rates were at 16%. We lived on one wage ,and paid the mortgage with the other.  There have been about 3/4 severe recessions since then, during which time I ,and others, struggled to keep a roof over our families heads.

I do agree that it is tough for the youngsters out there these days, not helped by a lack of affordable housing. 

There is a shortage of skilled labour within the Construction industry ,why is that? are employers not recruiting, or are the young just not interested? .

In contrast to myself, and probably others of my generation,  my children stand to inherit considerable amounts of money when our houses are eventually sold, bought and paid for by hard work over 30 odd years.  Might be earlier if anyone's stupid enough to do equity release 

 

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22 hours ago, Ed Stone said:

What's more, it's mostly a fabrication - one that I first heard, back in the 1980s

worked in schools have you?, got family members who are teachers have you?... i have, both current an ex (ex brothers and sisters in law) , dealt with head teachers have you?..

sorry dude, but i have. the word 'black' has been expunged from common use in schools since the 80's. first it was 'blackboard'... a term used here for several hundred years, now its 'chalkboard' ... which is stupid as it is not a 'chalk board', it was a 'black' board.

as for baa baa black sheep, my great nephews only 2 years ago had to sing 'baa baa wooly sheep'...

it is not 'mostly fabrication' , i can confirm through experience that this is true.

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9 minutes ago, mushymanrob said:

worked in schools have you?, got family members who are teachers have you?... i have, both current an ex (ex brothers and sisters in law) , dealt with head teachers have you?..

sorry dude, but i have. the word 'black' has been expunged from common use in schools since the 80's. first it was 'blackboard'... a term used here for several hundred years, now its 'chalkboard' ... which is stupid as it is not a 'chalk board', it was a 'black' board.

Errm, even when I was at school (left in the nineties) there were no blackboards or chalkboards or whatever you want to call them, they were all whiteboards / markerboards. So yeah, the term blackboard probably isn't used any more, but not for the reasons you're implying.

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9 hours ago, Quicksilver1989 said:

Since this thread is just a criticism of ‘snow flakes’, I thought I’d balance things out.

Baby boomers have no idea how lucky they were. Baby boomers entered a rapidly expanding jobs market and had relatively cheap education. They had nowhere near a ruthless job market and didn’t have to pay huge tuition fees if they wanted to take education further (which most in my generation feel pressured to do due to the increasingly demanding job market).

I also feel they they just spend time criticising millennials just because its trendy to do so and I know many who spend just as much time on social media and forums etc. whilst criticising them. Baby boomers were also the generation of excess. It is the ‘more more more’ attitude that caused them to take excess risk. They ran the banks that made the awful, greedy decisions that triggered the 2008 economic crash, especially when it came to lending mortgages with adjustable interest rates.

They have little regard for the environment, climate change deniers are most common amongst the baby boomer group and yet they are the ones who won’t be around to face their own consequences. It will be millennials who face the impacts, as if the financial crisis wasn’t enough.

We are always criticised for our sense of entitlement yet the cost of living is so much higher for our generation. Baby boomers started their careers at a more prosperous time then us, so why blame us for being frustrated? Isn’t each generation supposed to leave things in a better state for the next?

We are the smartest most open minded generation yet (whereas racism, sexism and homophobia are most common amongst baby boomers). We don’t smoke 40 fags a day and our generation drink far less then the previous generations. Nothing we can do is right.

As if the economic crash wasn’t enough your generation decided to vote for Brexit which will hold this country back for many decades. Our economy will go down the toilet and it makes the world a more dangerous place. What good has happened to our country since Brexit? I’m fed up of reading about grumpy old men spreading their misery amongst those who are younger and delibrately going against what we do.

After the EU referendum my fellow PhD students were told by mainly older people to ‘go back to their country’. The only people who have said anything rude about my disability are older people. Ah yes, it is us snowflakes that are the problem…, you can never blame yourselves and your decisions for things getting worse, it is always someone else.

some of this post is spot on...other bits are nonsense though.

its absolutely true that the boomers and gen x are the parents of the milennials or snowflakes.. so 'we' created the environment for 'snowflakes' to exist.. they are our fault.

did we have it so much better?... well the standard of living was much lower, poverty standards in the 60's compared to today. rapidy expanding jobs market?.. we had huge unemployment rates, strikes, 3 day weeks, rampant inflation.

the crash of '08 wasnt caused by boomers, it was caused by the deregulation of banks and that was thatcher and reagan who removed those restrictions that were put in place after the wall street crash.

little regard for the environment?.. nonsense! boomers were very active in environmental groups, and we had a love and knowledge of wildlife... today most milennials cannot identify basic species of birds, butterflies, trees, etc but admittedly they can tell us all about climate change.

it was OUR generation that kicked out racism, sexism, homophobia.. WE rejected that, through the punk movement, it was US that changed those attitudes.

young people all think they are smarter then the oldies, nothing new there, until they too get old and have experience that is ...lol.

you tell me... why are your generation not creating cutting new comedy and music of the calibre we did?.,..

as for the 'b' word... we cannot discuss that there needless to say your perspective isnt accurate.

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6 minutes ago, Paul said:

Errm, even when I was at school (left in the nineties) there were no blackboards or chalkboards or whatever you want to call them, they were all whiteboards / markerboards. So yeah, the term blackboard probably isn't used any more, but not for the reasons you're implying.

true, technology had moved on... but what i had posted is accurate, the term 'blackboard' was outlawed in favour of 'chalkboard' before whiteboards/markerboards took over.

i am not making this up you know....

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50 minutes ago, mushymanrob said:

worked in schools have you?, got family members who are teachers have you?... i have, both current an ex (ex brothers and sisters in law) , dealt with head teachers have you?..

sorry dude, but i have. the word 'black' has been expunged from common use in schools since the 80's. first it was 'blackboard'... a term used here for several hundred years, now its 'chalkboard' ... which is stupid as it is not a 'chalk board', it was a 'black' board.

as for baa baa black sheep, my great nephews only 2 years ago had to sing 'baa baa wooly sheep'...

it is not 'mostly fabrication' , i can confirm through experience that this is true.

How is it that, especially when berating the young (for their alleged educational inadequacies) so many of my cohort forgo the use of basic English? It's kind of ironic, don't you think? :oldgrin:

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8 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

How is it that, especially when berating the young (for their alleged educational inadequacies) so many of my cohort forgo the use of basic English? It's kind of ironic, don't you think? :oldgrin:

lol..true... but im not a teacher, and i wasnt berating them for their educational inadequacies (my daughter in law, a teacher, did that) but for their lack of creativity in music and comedy.

i dare say that maybe in other local councils, their attitude towards 'black' may have been different to mine. derby schools were run by left wing derbyshire county council back then, and the n.u.t. were also very left wing. i cannot speak for every school/education system in the country, but certainly my local council and other labour run ones did and still do try to change the word 'black'.

i also think selective history has been taught to the milennials, hence the sneering at 'geting our country back' motif. in reality the legal system we brits created from saxon times, through magna carta, civil war, restoration, the bill of rights, has given the world a system of democratic government that many countries have adopted, including america that used our bill of rights in its constitution. our right to self determination has been paid for many times in british blood, our ancestors, and as such dont think we should surrender that to brussels. but thats another story and is on a banned subject. lol.

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11 hours ago, cheeky_monkey said:

It is worrying when someone with a different opinion is viewed as being or having prejudice..that's what snowflakes do..if they don't like your opinion resort to name calling and making blanket statements about people's character rather than debating the point

If you read through this thread, you will note, for example, that I wrote three paras in a post above disputing your statements about female teachers etc., with which views, of course, you are entirely free to disagree.

And so it is incorrect to suggest that I have not debated your points.

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2 hours ago, mushymanrob said:

some of this post is spot on...other bits are nonsense though.

its absolutely true that the boomers and gen x are the parents of the milennials or snowflakes.. so 'we' created the environment for 'snowflakes' to exist.. they are our fault.

did we have it so much better?... well the standard of living was much lower, poverty standards in the 60's compared to today. rapidy expanding jobs market?.. we had huge unemployment rates, strikes, 3 day weeks, rampant inflation.

Yes the unemployment rates were higher but REAL wages consistently increased during your lifetimes, real wages have not increased for many of us since 2007/08 and have actually gone down. Yet the economy is being propped up by the extremely rich and even though 'employment' figures are low. Many people struggle to make ends meet, have no job security (how many jobs are on zero hours contracts, figures can be made to give the impression things are getting better). It is also extremely difficult for people to get onto the property ladder and many people I know are still living with their parents as a result. 

Also the increase in homelessness and food banks backs this up. I would agree that the mid-late 1970s were tough due to the oil crises and other triggers for inflation but they were only short term knockbacks. We have been in a rut since the mid 2000s that is only going to get worse. The NHS in particular is struggling due to decreased rate of annual funding since 2010. I had some amazing surgery that helped me walk and live an independant life back in 2003, I'm not sure I would get that today.

Aren't we supposed to have one generation that is better off then the one preceding it?

the crash of '08 wasnt caused by boomers, it was caused by the deregulation of banks and that was thatcher and reagan who removed those restrictions that were put in place after the wall street crash.

It was your generation who elected them and they were people from your generation in charge of the banks.


little regard for the environment?.. nonsense! boomers were very active in environmental groups, and we had a love and knowledge of wildlife... today most milennials cannot identify basic species of birds, butterflies, trees, etc but admittedly they can tell us all about climate change.

Nonsense, how many millenials do you actually speak to? Do you think we are stupid?

it was OUR generation that kicked out racism, sexism, homophobia.. WE rejected that, through the punk movement, it was US that changed those attitudes.

Incorrect, all you have to do is look at voting statisitcs and the policies they are alligned to. It is true that baby boomers were more liberal in their young years but that doesn't compensate for the damage.

young people all think they are smarter then the oldies, nothing new there, until they too get old and have experience that is ...lol.

It is true, each generation is smarter then the last and when my grandchildren become adults, they will be smarter then me too.

you tell me... why are your generation not creating cutting new comedy and music of the calibre we did?.,..

Because the way we get our music is different? As I said, download music increased the sales of singles massively for pop artists but still remain similar for indie/rock artists and therefore their singles do not chart as much anymore they don't get much radio airplay as a result. You just have to move away from mainstream radio to find these artists. Tame Impala, the war on drugs etc. sound just as good as bands I know from the past. There is only so many sounds you can do with guitars and music that was pioneering from the 60s to 80s would be branded as MOR today. People get bored of the same sounds. As for comedy, that is a generational thing, I dislike most comedy before the 80s and my favourites such as the inbetweeners and Peep show were from my generation.

as for the 'b' word... we cannot discuss that there needless to say your perspective isnt accurate.

 

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1 hour ago, mushymanrob said:

our right to self determination has been paid for many times in british blood, our ancestors, and as such dont think we should surrender that to brussels.

Better leave the UN too, then. :oldsmile:

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2 minutes ago, Yarmy said:

Better leave the UN too, then. :oldsmile:

And getting used to chlorinated chicken being our single source of food supply. Whilst the NHS becomes increasingly privatised and medical supplies are still stuck in traffic jams over the tunnel...

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1 hour ago, mushymanrob said:

i also think selective history has been taught to the milennials, hence the sneering at 'geting our country back' motif. in reality the legal system we brits created from saxon times, through magna carta, civil war, restoration, the bill of rights, has given the world a system of democratic government that many countries have adopted, including america that used our bill of rights in its constitution. our right to self determination has been paid for many times in british blood, our ancestors, and as such dont think we should surrender that to brussels. but thats another story and is on a banned subject. lol.

I wondered how long it would be before the EU was mentioned...blaming others, for one's own shortcomings, has always been a central pillar in the edifice of the self-deluded!

And, as for pop music, I get mine from Youtube - and I can always find plenty of what I like...:oldgood:

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On 22/12/2018 at 09:59, BornFromTheVoid said:

A few points:

  • Those that seem to think comedy is too safe, bland and inoffensive nowadays - surely you're familiar with Sacha Baron Cohen? Or the myriad of comedians and shows that use dark and often offensive humour? There's every type of humour out there nowadays. Perhaps not best to judge by what's on prime time TV.
  • I think it's worth remembering that many of the young adults today left school and entered their working lives during a depression, where even if you got a job it was likely a zero hour contract with minimum wage. There's no hope of financial stability or security in that scenario. The terrible economic and living situation is hardly their fault. Yet going to university in the hope of broadening your opportunities also appears to be something to belittle!
  • Claiming post-grads are somehow entitled is actually hilarious in how completely wrong it is! Post grads usually make terrible money if they're lucky enough to get funding, or fund their studies themselves. They have to work longer hours than most, with more pressure and less or no pay. It's so stressful and unrewarding that it takes a huge toll on the mental health of the students

Saw the post Crewe Cold highlighted and its spot on, particularly academia. People feel pressurised to be perfect so when they advance further into academia they are put under huge amount of stress. Particularly at PhD level were pay is poor this applies and I know numerous people (myself included) who have gone through deep depression when writing our thesis. Yet during this time the cost of living is spiralling upwards and we are branded with the worst generation tag. 

I also agree with what Lauren said earlier that older generations seem to always criticise younger generations. Bakc in the 60s for example all the silent generation ever used to was criticise men with long hair, its nothing new but its ok if they criticise, not us.

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16 minutes ago, Yarmy said:

Better leave the UN too, then. :oldsmile:


why?...they havnt consistently lied to us for 40 years and are trying to make us part of a federal state... stripping us of our right to self determination. :)
 

12 minutes ago, Quicksilver1989 said:

And getting used to chlorinated chicken being our single source of food supply. Whilst the NHS becomes increasingly privatised and medical supplies are still stuck in traffic jams over the tunnel...


why?.... we simply wont buy it! i cannot see the problem, we produce enough of our own chicken...or better still, go vegi
 

6 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

I wondered how long it would be before the EU was mentioned...blaming others, for one's own shortcomings, has always been a central pillar in the edifice of the self-deluded!

And, as for pop music, I get mine from Youtube - and I can always find plenty of what I like...:oldgood:

the only self deluded ones i see are those who do not understand the truth about our history, and the direction the eu is going..

youre 61-2... pop music isnt aimed at you/me... there isnt the vibe we witnessed over the last 60 years, as we agreed didnt we, that manufactured crap is prevalent and the standard/variety simply isnt there now in the measurable charts.

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God there is some tutt banded about on here

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8 minutes ago, Quicksilver1989 said:

 

I also agree with what Lauren said earlier that older generations seem to always criticise younger generations. Bakc in the 60s for example all the silent generation ever used to was criticise men with long hair, its nothing new but its ok if they criticise, not us.

yes indeed , ive heard it for 50 years...'music isnt as good as what it was in my day'.... but now it can be demonstrated to be true. there isnt the variety of new music that theres been from the 50's until the mid 00's..

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2 minutes ago, mushymanrob said:

yes indeed , ive heard it for 50 years...'music isnt as good as what it was in my day'.... but now it can be demonstrated to be true. there isnt the variety of new music that theres been from the 50's until the mid 00's..

If you look at the singles charts then yes, but nobody that I knows buys singles anymore. Most serious music fans listen to albums which they stream on spotify. Music is more varied then ever, you just need to move away from traditional sources to access them.

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58 minutes ago, Quicksilver1989 said:

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Yes the unemployment rates were higher but REAL wages consistently increased during your lifetimes, real wages have not increased for many of us since 2007/08 and have actually gone down. Yet the economy is being propped up by the extremely rich and even though 'employment' figures are low. Many people struggle to make ends meet, have no job security (how many jobs are on zero hours contracts, figures can be made to give the impression things are getting better). It is also extremely difficult for people to get onto the property ladder and many people I know are still living with their parents as a result. 

Also the increase in homelessness and food banks backs this up. I would agree that the mid-late 1970s were tough due to the oil crises and other triggers for inflation but they were only short term knockbacks. We have been in a rut since the mid 2000s that is only going to get worse. The NHS in particular is struggling due to decreased rate of annual funding since 2010. I had some amazing surgery that helped me walk and live an independant life back in 2003, I'm not sure I would get that today.

Aren't we supposed to have one generation that is better off then the one preceding it?

yes i dont really disagree much with that, id suggest we had it harder in some ways, you have it harder in others... however, i dont see any movement trying to adress your plight. we demonstrated and changed things ourselves, this could be seen in music as well as comedy... younger people today just seem to accept it

the crash of '08 wasnt caused by boomers, it was caused by the deregulation of banks and that was thatcher and reagan who removed those restrictions that were put in place after the wall street crash.

It was your generation who elected them and they were people from your generation in charge of the banks.

well i didnt vote for her! lol


little regard for the environment?.. nonsense! boomers were very active in environmental groups, and we had a love and knowledge of wildlife... today most milennials cannot identify basic species of birds, butterflies, trees, etc but admittedly they can tell us all about climate change.

Nonsense, how many millenials do you actually speak to? Do you think we are stupid?
no i dont think you are stupid, but i dont think your generation knows diddly squat about basic nature... can you identify bryony? and why it should be avoided?.. the difference between king cups and marsh marigolds? could you even identify basic wildflowers/birds/eggs/trees/butterflies/moths etc withouit the help of a device? whats more...do you even care?.. i see no grass roots movements addressing the issues of declining wildlife. i have 3 milennial kids and my o/h is a milennial.

it was OUR generation that kicked out racism, sexism, homophobia.. WE rejected that, through the punk movement, it was US that changed those attitudes.

Incorrect, all you have to do is look at voting statisitcs and the policies they are alligned to. It is true that baby boomers were more liberal in their young years but that doesn't compensate for the damage.
oh come on! dont try to rewrite my life history! it was the punk movement and our generation that rejected racism, homophobia and sexism.. there was a huge generational shift away from acts like freddie star, jim davidson, and towards self depricating satire. we had rock against racism, and alternative comedy. my generation actually did something positive.

young people all think they are smarter then the oldies, nothing new there, until they too get old and have experience that is ...lol.

It is true, each generation is smarter then the last and when my grandchildren become adults, they will be smarter then me too.[/i]
nonsense, you rely too much on technology, a lot of you cant even read a map! you cannot measure experience, i know this will sound condescending, but one day youll 'get' that the same way i did [/i]

you tell me... why are your generation not creating cutting new comedy and music of the calibre we did?.,..

Because the way we get our music is different? As I said, download music increased the sales of singles massively for pop artists but still remain similar for indie/rock artists and therefore their singles do not chart as much anymore they don't get much radio airplay as a result. You just have to move away from mainstream radio to find these artists. Tame Impala, the war on drugs etc. sound just as good as bands I know from the past. There is only so many sounds you can do with guitars and music that was pioneering from the 60s to 80s would be branded as MOR today. People get bored of the same sounds. As for comedy, that is a generational thing, I dislike most comedy before the 80s and my favourites such as the inbetweeners and Peep show were from my generation.

it makes no difference to how you get your music... theres either a 'scene' going on, or there isnt. if we had todays technology, the charts would still be more or less the same, because everytime a new trend came out we were hungry to hear new music. what you dont seem to 'get' (sorry if im wrong), is that from the 50's through to the mid 00's there was a succession of huge trends, movements, generation defining sounds and associated fashions.. and there was choice..  true, maybe all the sounds that guitar (or even synth) based bands can make might have been done.. does that excuse the slump into accepting manufactured crap?.. theres always been 'good' material outside the charts, but theres been some extremely good material in the charts, songs about politics, nuclear war, social issues...songs with something profound to relate. all that in mainstream.. now?......lol.

lol... the inbetweeners was written by 'generation x' people, not milennials... just what cutting edge comedy has any milennial written?.. something of the calibre of dads army? blackadder? father ted? steptoe and sone? fawlty towers? you know, timeless classics that are accepted as classics by all..

 

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30 minutes ago, Quicksilver1989 said:

If you look at the singles charts then yes, but nobody that I knows buys singles anymore. Most serious music fans listen to albums which they stream on spotify. Music is more varied then ever, you just need to move away from traditional sources to access them.

no serious music fan has ever paid much attention to the singles charts.. they have always been into albums. nothing new there..... but it doesnt nullify the fact that todays singles charts havnt the variety that many previous years have had, and as ive already pointed out, the singles charts (and to a lesser degree, albums)  are the only way of measuring what was out and when. true you have acces to more variety because of modern technology, but theres nothing new, no driving trend thats uniting the young...apart i guess from 'grime'..

imho, its a shame, not being part of a 'tribe', a new style.. when i was 22 (in 1979) i could be a punk, a mod, a disco fan, a heavy rocker, a goth,  a prog rocker, a skinhead, a rockabilly fan or a rock n roll teddy boy , or a new romantic which was just starting to appear.. i think its a great shame strong generation defining cults/fashions dont exist now.

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