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Aren’t Windows updates a pain?

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Take an age to download, tend to hang without completing and sometimes trash what you have set up. 

At least Apple let you decide when their updates occur. 

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It depends what set up you have.
I don't have a fibre connection, just standard broadband, but the downloads aren't slow - usually getting 2Mb/s. I've never had any 'hanging' or updates trashing my PC either. Not to say it doesn't happen, just that I have never experienced that.

As for Apple letting you decide when the updates occur, you can do that on windows 10 and more. Defer certain types of updates, pause updates for up to 35 days. And, if you're computer literate, you can turn them off altogether using the windows services manager.

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On 19/11/2018 at 12:38, Mapantz said:

It depends what set up you have.
I don't have a fibre connection, just standard broadband, but the downloads aren't slow - usually getting 2Mb/s. I've never had any 'hanging' or updates trashing my PC either. Not to say it doesn't happen, just that I have never experienced that.

As for Apple letting you decide when the updates occur, you can do that on windows 10 and more. Defer certain types of updates, pause updates for up to 35 days. And, if you're computer literate, you can turn them off altogether using the windows services manager.

Thanks. Have the complication of it is not only me using computer to say yes or no. 

Last one hung at 100%. Left it for a few hours then faffed around getting it sorted. Now working better than before update.

lt always seems to trash my HP settings so printer does not work. HP have good app for repairing the connections etc. 

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If it's any consolation, Snipper, I have a HP printer, and i'm always having problems, but also had the same problems using it on Windows 8 and 8.1. 
It seems to only let me print one thing at a time, then I spend 10 minutes switching it off and on, then adding it to devices again before I can print another item. It seems a common occurrence with HP printers after having a look on their forums.

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2 hours ago, Mapantz said:

If it's any consolation, Snipper, I have a HP printer, and i'm always having problems, but also had the same problems using it on Windows 8 and 8.1. 
It seems to only let me print one thing at a time, then I spend 10 minutes switching it off and on, then adding it to devices again before I can print another item. It seems a common occurrence with HP printers after having a look on their forums.

Get HP’s Printer and Scan Doctor. Pain you need to use it but so far solved all my problems. 

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I haven't had many problems with Windows 10 updates on my desktop but they have often been a pain on my laptop, probably partly because it is relatively rarely used and was upgraded from Windows 7.  Windows will force-feed the laptop updates at an inconvenient time and if you close the lid overnight or when travelling on a train or a plane (the latter two being bad times to update due to internet connection issues, the first being bad due to disrupting sleep) it will automatically switch back on after a short while to stop you from circumventing the automatic update.  Not good if it then gets very hot.

Also, on the laptop, updates tend to reset a lot of my preferences back to the Microsoft defaults (this has happened somewhat less often on my desktop computer) and this isn't just the bi-annual feature updates - it happens quite often after minor system updates also.  Examples include resetting my picture viewer back to Photos, my music player back to Groove Music, re-enabling Automatic Folder Type Discovery and then resetting my preferred Details folder views back to the defaults.  Although updates generally play nicely with the settings on my desktop, here was one time on my desktop where an update to Office 2016 reset the Developer tab in Excel back to the default of disabled, so for a while I was left wondering where it had disappeared to.

If you have Windows 10 Pro you have a fair amount of customisability with updates, but if you have Windows 10 Home you generally have no choice but to update as and when Microsoft deems suitable, with the exception of the bi-annual feature updates which can be deferred.  I am not against forced security patches, but I am against forced system and feature patches.  It's often said that getting the latest feature updates "gives the best user experience", but a lot of the time new features are thrust on users when they are still buggy and incomplete and degrade the user experience, and they only become improvements after a while of ironing out bugs in subsequent mini-updates.

Most cases of updates tinkering with default settings are probably unintentional, but there are exceptions, such as when I disabled OneDrive and one of the feature updates re-enabled it, reset all of my OneDrive settings back to their defaults and then introduced an ad for OneDrive that popped up every time I opened Windows Explorer.  Generally the cynic in me thinks that Microsoft will feel they don't have to put as much effort into leaving people's settings alone now that updates are compulsory.  In the past they had more pressure on them to make sure that updates were right or else people would disable them altogether and leave their systems insecure.  And when it does go wrong, well, it serves as a neat little nudge towards the Microsoft defaults which could help increase user compliance with the defaults as the path of least resistance, and the more people comply with the defaults, optimising defaults for the vendor's revenue streams becomes a more effective policy.  Microsoft still hasn't managed to get most Windows 10 users to use Edge, though.

Edited by Thundery wintry showers

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A couple of things that could help:

1. If you currently have Windows 10 Home it is relatively cheap and easy to upgrade to Pro. There are lots of vendors on Amazon selling recycled licence keys cheaply (in my limited experience these do work but of course I couldn't guarantee this in all cases), and an old Windows 7 Pro key can be used if your Windows 10 installation is currently up to date. You may need to enter the default key (for Pro this is VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T) with the network disconnected first - that will start the upgrade, which takes a few minutes. As it happens I did a Pro upgrade on a work laptop last week. After that you can reconnect to the internet and register your new key.

2. Using the Windows Media Creation Tool you can force an update to the latest version at a time to suit you. My experience is that a major update such as the Fall Creators update takes about half an hour on a fast machine and a couple of hours on something older and slower.

Good luck! I appreciate the original post was some time ago so you may have already found your own solution.

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One thing with laptops I always make sure they powers off totally before putting them in a bag. Seen to many very hot laptops in my time as people depend on the sleep to do it's thing.

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My Windows 10 experience has been horrible.  I have an issue where my disk usage goes to 100% and stays there whenever an update is being downloaded, effectively bricking my laptop until the update finished, which obviously takes much longer because the disk is constantly in use.  It's a recognised issue (i.e. there are a lot of cases) and nobody has a permanent solution to it apart from a fresh install, which I REALLY don't want to do.  The process that uses the disk bandwidth isn't the WIndows Update service itself, but something else running under Service Host.

I've tried everything that has been suggested - turning off the BITS process, turning off WIndows Indexing, repairing the Windows Update module....nothing works.  The only solution I've found (which is an ugly workaround) is to set an arbitrary download limit on my broadband connection and telling Windows Update not to download updates on a metered connection.  I then have to remove the download limit and leave the laptop running overnight to process any updates, which still sometimes fail.

When the updater isn't running, my laptop is lightning fast which is great as I use it for DJing and music production.  As far as I'm aware Microsoft are yet to release a proper fix for this, despite it affecting thousands of users.

By the way I'm not a tech noob by any means - I've worked in IT-related roles for nearly 20 years and that is why this is so damn frustrating! 😞

 

 

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Seen that sort of issue of and on through windows versions. Normally it's the virus checker third party or inbuilt that for some reason throws a paddy. What security software are you using.

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