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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
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  • Location: Solihull, West Midlands. - 131 m asl .
    On 09/10/2019 at 09:07, Ed Stone said:

    These data seem pretty unequivocal:  

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    Nearly 400 all-time high temperature records were broken over the...

     

    I thought that we were discussing climate.

    Climate is not one summer in one country..

    It is 30 years at least. Some would say even longer.

    How about mentioning the record early low temperatures in both the Siberia and North of North America?

    Or does that simply a weather situation?.

    MIA

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    Am a bit of a loss with this debate. Firstly, because I don't get the name-calling and mudslinging, how does that help? But secondly and more importantly, I just can't understand how much more ev

    The IPBES Global Assessment on biodiversity was released yesterday at https://www.ipbes.net/ and makes grim reading. It lists climate change as an increasing factor in the state of life on our planet.

    It's amazing really how you continue to miss the point, I don't think anyone is saying climate change isn't caused by humans in some way, but it's not the sole cause, there are other factor at play, s

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
    10 hours ago, Midlands Ice Age said:

    How about mentioning the record early low temperatures in both the Siberia and North of North America?

    Or does that simply a weather situation?.

    MIA

    Then again...How about you mention them yourself, if you deem them important enough?:oldgrin:

    Presenting data to go with your assertions is also acceptable, on here...?:oldgood:

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  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
    4 hours ago, Ed Stone said:

    Then again...How about you mention them yourself, if you deem them important enough?:oldgrin:

    Presenting data to go with your assertions is also acceptable, on here...?:oldgood:

    here is an example for a little bit of balance

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    Experts say the extreme dips in temperature could be a symptom of climate change.

    but as with everything whether its extreme cold or heat its down to climate change..so its a win win ?

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  • Location: Pershore
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    17 minutes ago, cheeky_monkey said:

    here is an example for a little bit of balance

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    Experts say the extreme dips in temperature could be a symptom of climate change.

    but as with everything whether its extreme cold or heat its down to climate change..so its a win win ?

    But there's some pretty sound scientific thinking around that reasoning, are you actually interested in that, or are you looking simply to win some sort of flame war?

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  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
    9 minutes ago, Paul said:

    But there's some pretty sound scientific thinking around that reasoning, are you actually interested in that, or are you looking simply to win some sort of flame war?

    Look if you cant even post an opinion on this site anymore without this kind of disappointing response from a moderator then its time to leave..sad times ?

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  • Location: Pershore
  • Location: Pershore
    5 minutes ago, cheeky_monkey said:

    Look if you cant even post an opinion on this site anymore without this kind of disappointing response from a moderator then its time to leave..sad times ?

    If that's the way you want to read it, then it's up to you. The fact is, you're not posting opinions - you're just trying to spin against someone elses opinions and/or the evidence they're posting up. So, if you want to post an opinion do it. Since this is a thread about the IPCC report, please feel free to share your views of what you've read in it?

    Plus the fact is that I'm asking a reasonable question - are you interested in the climate science and the information it can provide you, or not?

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  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
    2 minutes ago, Paul said:

    If that's the way you want to read it, then it's up to you. The fact is, you're not posting opinions - you're just trying to spin against someone elses opinions and/or the evidence they're posting up. So, if you want to post an opinion do it. Since this is a thread about the IPCC report, please feel free to share your views of what you've read in it?

    so other people are allowed to have an opinion but if i have opinion that doesn't fit the narrative then its spin? Well OK.

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  • Location: Pershore
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    9 minutes ago, cheeky_monkey said:

    so other people are allowed to have an opinion but if i have opinion that doesn't fit the narrative then its spin? Well OK.

    Okie dokie. Again you're spinning things which clearly aren't factual.

    Someone posts about 400 temperature records across the northern hemisphere being broken this summer. Your response, with the insinuation that it's evidence of the opposite is an article that Alberta was very cold for a time last winter. At the same time, you suggest it's a 'win, win' for those pushing the climate narrative because that too was blamed (in the article) on climate change. See the disparity?

    It's not about your narrative not fitting, it's about the fact that as someone who clearly doesn't buy into the overwhelming evidence provided by science right now, for whatever reason, then you have to at least back your opinion up with some reasonable, science based evidence. That doesn't mean a random article about a cold spell, that means actual scientific evidence. 

    Anyway, if you have any interest in the theories around the jet stream, polar vortex etc as the Arctic warms, then have a read of this:

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    The past week has seen some brutal weather hitting the US and Canada. With cold Arctic air plunging south down to the...

     

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  • Location: Darlington
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  • Location: Darlington

    As of 21:00 last night Extinction Rebellion protesters are banned from demonstrating anywhere in London those who continue to protest face arrest 

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  • Location: Darlington
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  • Location: Darlington

    So much for the 'peaceful protests' they promised ? hopefully they all get a big fine and locked up in jail

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    The Jubilee Line and DLR are partly suspended after incidents at three stations across the city.

     

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  • Location: Sedgley Black country 731ft 222 metres
  • Location: Sedgley Black country 731ft 222 metres
    42 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

    So much for the 'peaceful protests' they promised ? hopefully they all get a big fine and locked up in jail

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    The Jubilee Line and DLR are partly suspended after incidents at three stations across the city.

     

    Quite nasty scenes  on the underground    from what i saw on the news    very silly idea to target the underground  at rush hour     

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
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    17 minutes ago, weirpig said:

    Quite nasty scenes  on the underground    from what i saw on the news    very silly idea to target the underground  at rush hour     

    Well Mark...By disrupting the 'greenest' part of the capital's public transport-network, they'll be alienating the very folks from who they want support? Idiots!:oldangry:

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  • Location: Tornado Alley, west London
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    A consensus is usually established when one explanation is more convincing than alternative accounts, convincing the majority. This is also true in science...

    These people have little or no history of climate research and many have links to "think tanks" that are committed to denying the effects of AGW. They are going to start lobbying both the UN and the EU.

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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
    1 hour ago, Summer Sun said:

    So much for the 'peaceful protests' they promised ? hopefully they all get a big fine and locked up in jail

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    The Jubilee Line and DLR are partly suspended after incidents at three stations across the city.

     

    I'm not sure how the video above says anything about the protests not being peaceful. It was the protester that got dragged down and beaten! 

    Anyway, yeah, stupid move targeting public transport like that. I get that they want attention and headlines, but there are better ways to achieve that.

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  • Location: Darlington
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  • Location: Darlington

    Targeting one of the cleanest forms of transport in London was a massive own goal from Extinction Rebellion 

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  • Location: Sedgley Black country 731ft 222 metres
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    3 hours ago, Ed Stone said:

    Well Mark...By disrupting the 'greenest' part of the capital's public transport-network, they'll be alienating the very folks from who they want support? Idiots!:oldangry:

    Yes they will do.  However the issue with Rebellion is that the group consists of other smaller groups who could well be acting on their own.  They somehow  have to act all as one  because im sure that some members would not have targeted the underground system    The irony is  that once this form of transport was out of action  other forms would have had to have been used    ie Bus, Cars etc   which as we know is much worse. 

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  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
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    young Greta Thunberg is in Edmonton today leading a climate strike outside the provincial parliament building..should be interesting?

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  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
    5 hours ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

    I'm not sure how the video above says anything about the protests not being peaceful. It was the protester that got dragged down and beaten! 

    Anyway, yeah, stupid move targeting public transport like that. I get that they want attention and headlines, but there are better ways to achieve that.

    Anyway, that 'protest' was NOT peaceful in any way, its illegal for starters and if 'they' think its ok to severely disrupt ordinary people lives, stop them from getting to work/hospital app/job interviews/school run etc etc etc then well, what a mistake!

    I don't think any positives can be taken from these sort of actions, in fact all they have achieved, is to extinguish public support and totally ruin their message.

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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)
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  • Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne (Spital Tongues)

    Every protest causes disruption. Disruption can be peaceful. Arguing the legality of it is a different matter. Saying that, civil disobedience has shown time and time again to be a very effective tool for spurring social change. Illegal ≠ violent or immoral.

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  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
  • Location: Near Romford Essex.
    15 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

    Every protest causes disruption. Disruption can be peaceful. Arguing the legality of it is a different matter. Saying that, civil disobedience has shown time and time again to be a very effective tool for spurring social change. Illegal ≠ violent or immoral.

    I think you will find climbing onto an underground train especially in those circumstances IS illegal

    The protest we are talking about today was not peaceful.

    I don't think peeing off the civil population(as in this case) is a very effective tool.

    The true message is lost and unfortunately it becomes a them v us scenario.

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  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol
  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol
    51 minutes ago, DAVID SNOW said:

    I think you will find climbing onto an underground train especially in those circumstances IS illegal

    The protest we are talking about today was not peaceful.

    I don't think peeing off the civil population(as in this case) is a very effective tool.

    The true message is lost and unfortunately it becomes a them v us scenario.

    Watched the vid earlier and the waster on top of the tube train kicked out first, so when dragged off was given a slap or two. I mean, who decides to go to the East end of London (home of the Hammers) to hack off locals trying to get to work? Should've chosen Kensington tube or similar; probably would've had an easier ride, so to speak?

    Anyway if plod were doing their job a lot of the disruption the last week or so wouldnt have escalated. Our very own plod here in Bristol actually assisted the climate crew setting up their pink boat road block the other month, before Bristol's week of disruption - i am not making this up.

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    “Many folks are not happy to be leaving the place they’ve known their whole lives.” After 20 years of melting permafrost, residents of...

     

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  • Location: Sedgley Black country 731ft 222 metres
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    Donald Trump says Paris deal would "punish the American people" as he hails US fossil fuel boom.

     

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    New islands  found in the arctic pictures  taken by drones   show wildlife living there.    i see the Polar bears natural evolution is helping itself blend in with the surroundings!. 

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  • Location: Back in Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
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    45 minutes ago, weirpig said:

    New islands  found in the arctic pictures  taken by drones   show wildlife living there.    i see the Polar bears natural evolution is helping itself blend in with the surroundings!. 

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    Nobody has done more to sink the claim that climate change is endangering polar bears than zoologist Susan Crockford — and she may have paid for it with her job.

    Seems polar bears seem to be doing ok in a warming climate..but that didn't sit well with some?

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