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41 minutes ago, Nick L said:

You'd much rather inhale something that is known to contain dozens of carcinogens? Smallpox was around for a fair while too and humanity survived, but I'd rather not fall ill with that.

There was a good article that I read about why there is currently so much hostility towards vaping. It basically said it was due to human nature and the inability to accept change of something that has traditionally been around for so long. Smoking is a known...it's known to be bad but it's a known evil. Vaping has come along now and some people can just not embrace it, even if it's much less of an evil than its predecessor.

An example of this can be seen with my dad...a non smoker but he hates me vaping, can't give a reason though and it genuinely seems like he'd prefer me to spark up a cigarette. The mind boggles.

I highly suspect that there could be a bit of mischievous behaviour going on by some of the big tobacco companies too. I have read online that some of them are doing case studies on deliberately dangerous/defective devices and publishing trial results in order to give vapes a bad press. I have no idea how true this is but it would make sense if they are scared about vaping use eating into their profits.  

As I've said, it just seems that there is no real incentive for anyone that matters to promote vaping as the market has already been seized and so pharma companies cannot really make any money off the back of it. 

As for people saying vaping liquid contains a 'cocktail of chemicals' It's not really true is it?!

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And on the subject of people being 'offended' by vaping, I can't say I particularly enjoy seeing people letting it 'all hang out' in summer or dirty people wreaking of BO but I don't really have much choice in that matter do I. Why can't we just all be more tolerant and understand that everyone has their ways and such things are minor inconveniences to actual every day living rather than massive dramas.

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9 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

There was a good article that I read about why there is currently so much hostility towards vaping. It basically said it was due to human nature and the inability to accept change of something that has traditionally been around for so long. Smoking is a known...it's known to be bad but it's a known evil. Vaping has come along now and some people can just not embrace it, even if it's much less of an evil than its predecessor.

An example of this can be seen with my dad...a non smoker but he hates me vaping, can't give a reason though and it genuinely seems like he'd prefer me to spark up a cigarette. The mind boggles.

I highly suspect that there could be a bit of mischievous behaviour going on by some of the big tobacco companies too. I have read online that some of them are doing case studies on deliberately dangerous/defective devices and publishing trial results in order to give vapes a bad press. I have no idea how true this is but it would make sense if they are scared about vaping use eating into their profits.  

As I've said, it just seems that there is no real incentive for anyone that matters to promote vaping as the market has already been seized and so pharma companies cannot really make any money off the back of it. 

As for people saying vaping liquid contains a 'cocktail of chemicals' It's not really true is it?!

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Wouldn't at all surprise me re: big tobacco. The number of people smoking is getting smaller and smaller, it's one of the great health victories, and they don't like it one bit. 

One thing I really don't understand though is non-smokers who have taken up vaping...just why?

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1 minute ago, Nick L said:

Wouldn't at all surprise me re: big tobacco. The number of people smoking is getting smaller and smaller, it's one of the great health victories, and they don't like it one bit. 

One thing I really don't understand though is non-smokers who have taken up vaping...just why?

Well it was let slip when initially a lot of the health professionals lauded vaping and then suddenly when it kicked off big style, we saw the tone change somewhat as the whole party line changed. 

It's not in the interest of either the government or big tobacco corps for vaping to replace smoking.

RE your last point- I think this is partly why some people see vaping as an antisocial thing. Younger people going around billowing big clouds of vape around and trying to act like they're the second coming of Jesus. You have to realise though, a lot of people will have 0% nicotine vaping liquid in their vapes!

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9 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

Well it was let slip when initially a lot of the health professionals lauded vaping and then suddenly when it kicked off big style, we saw the tone change somewhat as the whole party line changed. 

It's not in the interest of either the government or big tobacco corps for vaping to replace smoking.

RE your last point- I think this is partly why some people see vaping as an antisocial thing. Younger people going around billowing big clouds of vape around and trying to act like they're the second coming of Jesus. You have to realise though, a lot of people will have 0% nicotine vaping liquid in their vapes!

My general view on things is that if it doesn't harm me then people can do whatever the hell they want. Exactly the same line of thinking with my view on the prohibition of weed for example. I'd like to see further studies on the impact of second hand vaping before being totally comfortable with it, but the suggestion from a previous poster that they'd prefer horrendously carcinogenic smoke is just bonkers!

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15 minutes ago, Nick L said:

My general view on things is that if it doesn't harm me then people can do whatever the hell they want. Exactly the same line of thinking with my view on the prohibition of weed for example. I'd like to see further studies on the impact of second hand vaping before being totally comfortable with it, but the suggestion from a previous poster that they'd prefer horrendously carcinogenic smoke is just bonkers!

I don't have the link to hand but there has been a lot of research on rats who were exposed heavily to vapour every day for their life span. There was no recorded abnormalities in their mortality rates and they did not seem affected by the exposure at all.

However, it's hard to distinguish the truth between those studies and others that claim to show increased risk of cancers in mice etc. 

https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/vaping-damages-dna-mice-which-may-increase-cancer-risk/

What I will say, however, is that almost certainly there will be more toxic chemicals in things like deodorants, perfumes and spray cleaning products than in vaping liquid. All of those things are widely accepted in every day life.

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I've no issue with vaping, even the stinky ones which waft down the pavement and suddenly assault your senses with a sickly sweet fruit cocktail smell. Vaping is a genuinely good method for weaning people off nicotine addiction. So what if it's not 'clean air'? Neither is the smell of frying bacon or burnt toast but nobody ever died of it.

Smoking tobacco, in the UK in 2018 is (quite literally) for die hard losers who are so disengaged from their own existence they are perfectly happy to pay to accelerate their early demise. 

Vaping is a way out of that. We shouldn't be complaining about it.

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Back in January I was in intensive care due to pneumonia and sepsis. Upon discharge I decided to give up smoking and start vaping instead. After 30 years of smoking these e cigs are brilliant because since January I haven't had one cigarette or even been tempted to have one. The respiratory consultant was fully supportive of me vaping.

However I do not think vaping should be allowed on buses or restaurants as some devices can produce huge amounts of vapour.

At the moment I use the Aspire Zelos but thinking of upgrading to the much more powerful Smok Mag.

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Does 'vape' contain nicotine? Very addictive and certainly wouldnt be great for a pregnant woman to use.

It does make me laugh though when some pub goers vape constantly and then for a few mins switch to ciggies. One such guy at our 'local' does this.

I'm an ex-smoker, when age 11 to 30.

I wouldnt support vaping in enclosed public spaces like pubs, restaurants and on public transport. Cant stand the vapour. Sickly.

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27 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Does 'vape' contain nicotine? Very addictive and certainly wouldnt be great for a pregnant woman to use.

It does make me laugh though when some pub goers vape constantly and then for a few mins switch to ciggies. One such guy at our 'local' does this.

I'm an ex-smoker, when age 11 to 30.

I wouldnt support vaping in enclosed public spaces like pubs, restaurants and on public transport. Cant stand the vapour. Sickly.

Some do some don't all depends what you want. There's also different amounts of nicotine in them so you can ween down in strength. 

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Agree with the above two posts, especially in the fact that nicotine does cross the placental barrier, just as it crosses the brain barrier...it wouldn't be much 'use' if it didn't? I don't know about the raft of carcinogens that cigarette smoke contains: is there any evidence of smokers being, statistically, more prone to malignant brain tumours?

Anywho, I am addicted to nicotine, though not to alcohol, gambling, Internet porn etc.. I think we are all affected in different ways, so a one-size-fits-all approach to addiction will never work...?

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I'm a smoker myself and while I do smoke in public I am considerate as I can be, if people are near by I ask them if they mind that I light up and if they say they do I respect that and don't light up.

 

what really annoys me is when people vape and have no thought for others just because it isn't tobacco doesn't mean I want a gob full of cherry cream vanilla apple custard or what ever sweet shop liquid they are vaping.

which leads me to another point why all the sweet shop flavours? when these vapers smoked cigarettes when the hell did they try to smoke cherry, vannila or god knows what?

 

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On 05/09/2018 at 03:05, Smokeysmoggy said:

I'm a smoker myself and while I do smoke in public I am considerate as I can be, if people are near by I ask them if they mind that I light up and if they say they do I respect that and don't light up.

 

what really annoys me is when people vape and have no thought for others just because it isn't tobacco doesn't mean I want a gob full of cherry cream vanilla apple custard or what ever sweet shop liquid they are vaping.

which leads me to another point why all the sweet shop flavours? when these vapers smoked cigarettes when the hell did they try to smoke cherry, vannila or god knows what?

 

To me you sound like the typical 'smoker snob' who looks down at other people attempting to do something to try to improve their health where you can't bring yourself to do so for whatever reason.

There was actually a decent article I read on this subject which described smokers like you who refuse to even try vaping 'just because'. 

I can tell you now, as an ex smoker myself, people detest the smell of cigarette smoke more than they do vapour from vapes. In fact I've been complimented a few times over the past several days about how my vape juice smells.

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Fine it's Vapour and it won't hurt me. Doesn't mean I want to be lost in a massive cloud of it. Like most things I think it should have  a level of consideration for others. 

when I smoked I never blew it over everyone.

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On 05/09/2018 at 03:05, Smokeysmoggy said:

I'm a smoker myself and while I do smoke in public I am considerate as I can be, if people are near by I ask them if they mind that I light up and if they say they do I respect that and don't light up.

 

what really annoys me is when people vape and have no thought for others just because it isn't tobacco doesn't mean I want a gob full of cherry cream vanilla apple custard or what ever sweet shop liquid they are vaping.

which leads me to another point why all the sweet shop flavours? when these vapers smoked cigarettes when the hell did they try to smoke cherry, vannila or god knows what?

 

Mainly because the other flavours aren't very nice, the tobacco flavour is disgusting. I've settled on cherry, which is a quite "grown up" flavour and doesn't clash with beer in particular! I'm trying to get used to mine, but can't quite abandon cigs completely, just yet. My partner, who smoked more than me, took to it instantly & hasn't smoked a cig in 4 years and is on a very low nicotine dose. I agree about the smell though, when I get a whiff of his blueberry, I find it quite unpleasant, what a hypocrite I am!

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I don't smoke or vape, but I think people should be clear that just because it's called "vapour" doesn't mean it's free of any harmful substances.
Also, water vapour is invisible! The cloud is a mist more than a vapour. A combination of mostly water droplets and the left overs of whatever other elements are added to the liquid. Some harmful, some not, with quantities varying depending on the liquid used.
Obviously much better than cigarette smoke or exhaust fumes, but not 100% harmless - particularly in enclosed areas with poor ventilation.

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30 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

I don't smoke or vape, but I think people should be clear that just because it's called "vapour" doesn't mean it's free of any harmful substances.
Also, water vapour is invisible! The cloud is a mist more than a vapour. A combination of mostly water droplets and the left overs of whatever other elements are added to the liquid. Some harmful, some not, with quantities varying depending on the liquid used.
Obviously much better than cigarette smoke or exhaust fumes, but not 100% harmless - particularly in enclosed areas with poor ventilation.

Water, propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin and flavourings...God knows how many known carcinogens tobacco smoke contains?

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9 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

Water, propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin and flavourings...God knows how many known carcinogens tobacco smoke contains?

Yep, and heating any of the e-cig substances alters their chemical composition and health effects. Nothing compared to cigarettes, of course.
How strict are the labeling and ingredient laws when it comes to the liquids? 

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On 09/09/2018 at 04:11, CreweCold said:

To me you sound like the typical 'smoker snob' who looks down at other people attempting to do something to try to improve their health where you can't bring yourself to do so for whatever reason.

There was actually a decent article I read on this subject which described smokers like you who refuse to even try vaping 'just because'. 

I can tell you now, as an ex smoker myself, people detest the smell of cigarette smoke more than they do vapour from vapes. In fact I've been complimented a few times over the past several days about how my vape juice smells.

to me you sound like a typical ex smoker/ reformed vaper who likes to jump on his soap box and preach the evils of tobacco.

if people want to vape then fine, just like non smokers who don't like smoke in their face, I don't like getting a face full of vapour.

 

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The funniest thing I see is a handful of large bars and pubs that ban vaping inside but then turn on the fog machines all night for dance floors etc. 

They contain exactly the same chemical you find in e-cigs vegetable glycerin :laugh: and people never question them.

Luckily my local pubs all accept vaping in them as long as you don't take the mickey with the huge sub ohlm machines.

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3 minutes ago, Nights King said:

The funniest thing I see is a handful of large bars and pubs that ban vaping inside but then turn on the fog machines all night for dance floors etc. 

They contain exactly the same chemical you find in e-cigs vegetable glycerin  and people never question them.

Luckily my local pubs all accept vaping in them as long as you don't take the mickey with the huge sub ohlm machines.

yeah I do find that a bit of an eyebrow raiser.

I think quite a few pubs have more to worry about what their clientele are ingesting apart from an ecig

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7 hours ago, Nights King said:

The funniest thing I see is a handful of large bars and pubs that ban vaping inside but then turn on the fog machines all night for dance floors etc. 

They contain exactly the same chemical you find in e-cigs vegetable glycerin :laugh: and people never question them.

Luckily my local pubs all accept vaping in them as long as you don't take the mickey with the huge sub ohlm machines.

Yeah I have thought about this myself. Those fog machines are pretty much exactly the same as an e-cig without the flavouring...yet they are widely accepted. Funny world we live in eh?

A lot of it boils down to pure ignorance on issues.

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10 hours ago, Smokeysmoggy said:

to me you sound like a typical ex smoker/ reformed vaper who likes to jump on his soap box and preach the evils of tobacco.

if people want to vape then fine, just like non smokers who don't like smoke in their face, I don't like getting a face full of vapour.

 

Not at all...

I don't mind smokers smoking around me at all and will never pull them up over it. Just as I wouldn't expect a smoker to pull me up about vaping. Give and take.

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7 hours ago, CreweCold said:

Not at all...

I don't mind smokers smoking around me at all and will never pull them up over it. Just as I wouldn't expect a smoker to pull me up about vaping. Give and take.

which is fair, and I feel exactly the same as you, give and take, if I am considerate about my habit around people then i dont think it is too much to ask to expect the same courtesy.

I have tried vaping, and I just can't get along with it, different strokes for different folks.

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I went on the Vape for about 3 months prior to starting Champix so now been a non smoker for 2 months.

It worked fine for me, but I used it as a tool to stop completely like I did when I stopped smoking 4 years ago before slipping back after 2 years.

If it works for you go for it. Thankfully This time, ciggies really stink- my best mate smokes a brand called Carlton which are just awful! Had to open all the windows immediately 

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