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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

GFS 12z following UKMO and ICON, here for comparison at T180, if anything this run going for the plume even more:

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GEM at same time, off the rails and into a disused quarry, for the bin, given other output.

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  • Location: Wildwood, Stafford 104m asl
  • Weather Preferences: obviously snow!
  • Location: Wildwood, Stafford 104m asl
8 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

A scorcher from GFS 12z 100F territory in the SE

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Ay, certainly modelling a plume, short lived though (kinda thankfully) does turn cooler from the south on Tuesday

few days before the best around 26C

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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

I've been mainly posting charts tonight at T180 to give easy comparison, here's the GEFS ensemble mean at that time, and it is significant I think:

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The shape and angle of the high on the mean pressure chart is strongly suggestive of some time of plume scenario by next weekend. Leading maybe to this, purples in the UK who'd of thunk it. And GFS under does temperatures, 'tis often said!

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Models definitely firming up on next weekend!

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  • Location: New Forest (Western)
  • Weather Preferences: Fascinated by extreme weather. Despise drizzle.
  • Location: New Forest (Western)

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During the crucial period around this coming Friday, the upper westerly flow is a bit weaker on this run - hence the 'heat low' takes longer to move NE - but it's still flat, with the upstream Atlantic trough slightly sharper but not digging any further south toward the Azores.

Still plenty of time for corrections to both of those factors. My 'dangerous heat threat level' has increased a bit since this morning.

At the least, there's a good chance that this summer will bring yet another run of at least a few days widely hitting the high 20s to low 30s. A big contrast to today's cool, wet and windy conditions that's for sure!

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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

ECM T96 digs a much bigger trough in the Atlantic than UKMO, this could get interesting, charts ECM first:

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Edit: T144, could get more interesting I would suggest ?

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  • Location: Peterborough
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and frost in the winter. Hot and sunny, thunderstorms in the summer.
  • Location: Peterborough

ECM1-96.GIF?29-0   ECM1-120.GIF?29-0

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Well then, only five days away and the ECM says the 16C isotherm makes it into southern England. Sunny for pretty much everyone and becoming hot in the south from Thursday onwards. To be fair the UKMO and GFS are pretty close to this.

For comparison, the GFS actually looks almost identical at this point whilst the UKMO has that more developed albeit shallow Atlantic trough.

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The ECM develops a heat low and drifts this north to the west of the UK with the intense heating drifting ever closer. Any extra depth on that weak trough early on would push the heat up faster though so certainly worth looking out for.

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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

So why is the ECM T144 interesting? here it is

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 It is backing other runs, ops or ensembles, for a UK high shaped which is highly likely to draw up a plume of hot air from the south. Let's see what happens as the rest of run dribbles out!

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  • Location: Droitwich
  • Weather Preferences: Cold cold cold!!
  • Location: Droitwich

ECM 12z @ 168 hrs, looking pretty impressive especially compared to last 0z run. Good set of runs this evening.

MNR

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Looks very similar to GFS 12z which is fantastic considering they seem to argue about absolutely everything. Roll on next week/end!!!

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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

Them plumes, them plumes, they push on through, certainly on as the ECM's take on things,but what's following on after? ECM at T192:

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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

ECM at T 240, what a complete mess, I'm not getting it here's the charts

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whichever direction we're headed, I don't think its this one, happy to be proved wrong as always. 

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  • Location: Droitwich
  • Weather Preferences: Cold cold cold!!
  • Location: Droitwich
3 minutes ago, Mike Poole said:

ECM at T 240, what a complete mess, I'm not getting it here's the carts

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whichever direction we're headed, I don't think its this one, happy to be proved wrong as always. 

With gentle breezes and ok uppers I think it would bring a lot of usable weather and generally warm so (if it materialises) it gets the thumbs up from me. Not a bad run all in all.

If it went further would not be surprised to see much warmer uppers pushing up from the south again. Rinse and repeat summer!!

MNR

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  • Location: Castle Black, the Wall, the North
  • Weather Preferences: Spanish Plumes, Blizzards, Severe Frosts :-)
  • Location: Castle Black, the Wall, the North

Nice to see the warmth / heat (564 dam) returning following this cooler atlantic blip, I like these Ecm 12z charts, plenty of high pressure with temps back up to the high 20's / low 30's celsius across the south and very warm for most other areas.

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  • Location: Bristol
  • Weather Preferences: High pressure, snow + alll extremes of weather
  • Location: Bristol

What I find fascinating is that normally, following any modelled plume, the jet quickly ramps up and blasts it all away. The 216 and 240 charts while being a bit of a mess, shows this just isn’t happening. Certainly not normal service this year!

 

 

 

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  • Location: Castle Black, the Wall, the North
  • Weather Preferences: Spanish Plumes, Blizzards, Severe Frosts :-)
  • Location: Castle Black, the Wall, the North

Following this cooler unsettled weekend, the week ahead will improve considerably with high pressure building in and for the south, the recent very warm / hot conditions return. The GEFS 12z mean looks very nice in a week's time doesn't it.☺

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

I would not put too much credence on that evolution, certainly the last runs of the 500 mb anomaly charts do not support that outlook.

Will post the charts and more comment tomorrow.

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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

The ECM ensemble mean looking good for UK high to be re-established T144:

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Signal weaker at T240:

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As you would expect given uncertainty, we do need to wait for more runs regarding the week after next!

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  • Location: Chapmanslade, Wiltshire + Charente, France
  • Location: Chapmanslade, Wiltshire + Charente, France

I think there are far better chances of heat records going next weekend because this time France is properly hot rather than just late 30C's. There is a very real risk of the French record high (44.1C) going either Sunday or Monday according to the GFS around the Bordeaux area with 850's of 28C or more. The big question is how much this advects North and the timings.

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  • Location: Wantage, Oxon
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, cold!
  • Location: Wantage, Oxon

It's pub time folks , ICON 18z reinforces what we think we know,  heat returning, and quickly.  T120 the end of this run:

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It's not this run, it's the trend!?️

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  • Location: Valencia, Spain or Angmering, West Sussex
  • Weather Preferences: 22-38C in summer with storms, cold in winter with some snow/or 15-25C
  • Location: Valencia, Spain or Angmering, West Sussex

Exciting times for heat fans. A real potential for a repeat of last Thursday to take place late this week and into next week, but with much hotter air over Spain and France, 36-37c possible in the London area if things stay as projected. Not sure I agree about the French record going as that was sustained over an exceptional summer (2003) but certainly 40-42c is possible with 45c in Spain. Still more runs needed until this can be concluded though.

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