Northwest England regional thread 3 /3 onwards

[toggerob]

Even if the above-ground fire looks to be out there's still some 5ft of peat beneath the surface that's burning through, been out for a ride to Buxton and back and even 3 days after this all started the smoke-plume is lingering to the North. The RAF are due to dispatch a Chinook onto the scene, carrying a industrial water-pump unit which will feed from the reservoir and make things a little more easier for the firefighters up there.

A secondary water-drop helicopter has also been dispatched from Devon this morning, already being put to use alongside the Moorland Preservation 206B Jetranger. I hope that when rain does come it's not in the form of a sudden deluge otherwise with little peat and moss to hold the water it'll be a flooding-risk next.

[Backtrack]

Those saying we need rain etc. Yes there’s a forest fire. But this is how summers used to be. If we can’t cope with a little heat and some proper summer weather then we are truly a weak nation. 

 

We hit 32.5C here yesterday. Hand out the window down the motorway, even at 80MPH felt like a hairdryer. We’re not far off the 30C mark again today already. A fantastic spell, the best spring and summer period in living memory so far. Long may it continue! Contemplating cancelling my Spanish holiday at this point, lol! 

[Backtrack]

13 minutes ago, SNOW_JOKE said:

Even if the above-ground fire looks to be out there's still some 5ft of peat beneath the surface that's burning through, been out for a ride to Buxton and back and even 3 days after this all started the smoke-plume is lingering to the North. The RAF are due to dispatch a Chinook onto the scene, carrying a industrial water-pump unit which will feed from the reservoir and make things a little more easier for the firefighters up there.

A secondary water-drop helicopter has also been dispatched from Devon this morning, already being put to use alongside the Moorland Preservation 206B Jetranger. I hope that when rain does come it's not in the form of a sudden deluge otherwise with little peat and moss to hold the water it'll be a flooding-risk next.

I think at this stage, it’s more a case of IF the rains come! I can’t see any rain for at least the next 7-10 days. 

[cheshire snow]

25 minutes ago, Backtrack said:

Those saying we need rain etc. Yes there’s a forest fire. But this is how summers used to be. If we can’t cope with a little heat and some proper summer weather then we are truly a weak nation. 

 

We hit 32.5C here yesterday. Hand out the window down the motorway, even at 80MPH felt like a hairdryer. We’re not far off the 30C mark again today already. A fantastic spell, the best spring and summer period in living memory so far. Long may it continue! Contemplating cancelling my Spanish holiday at this point, lol! 

Get onto Carol Kirkwood at the Met Office she reckons the Hot Spot yesterday was Rostherne in Cheshire at 31.7c.

C.S

[Cheshire Freeze]

18 minutes ago, cheshire snow said:

Get onto Carol Kirkwood at the Met Office she reckons the Hot Spot yesterday was Rostherne in Cheshire at 31.7c.

C.S

32.3 max here yesterday. Slightly 'cooler' here today so far at 29.2

[Weather-history]

ECM 0z op run give a whopping 0.6mm for Manchester in the end.

 

[Mokidugway]

7 hours ago, Deep Snow please said:

Sorry but a bit of rain is definitely needed now to put those fires out. Regardless of your own preference. 

I lived in California for years they cope so should we 

 

[Summer Sun]

Army called in to help with the fire on Saddleworth moor

[Deep Snow please]

36 minutes ago, Mokidugway said:

I lived in California for years they cope so should we 

 

 

Difference is California has this stuff happen regularly, it's a once in a blue moan event here. That's the same trite train of thought that people spew out whenever it snows. There's no point stockpiling massive water pump helicopters when were only going to use them every 15 years or so. 

 

On another note, could the fire raise temperatures in the surrounding areas?

Edited June 27, 2018 by Deep Snow please

[Mokidugway]

13 minutes ago, Deep Snow please said:

 

Difference is California has this stuff happen regularly, it's a once in a blue moan event here. That's the same trite train of thought that people spew out whenever it snows. There's no point stockpiling massive water pump helicopters when were only going to use them every 15 years or so. 

 

On another note, could the fire raise temperatures in the surrounding areas?

Fair point though I meant people in this country as soon as it gets hot moan ,dont forget the horrendous rainy conditions we have to put up with for most of the year and I for one are enjoying it and long may it continue ,lol

Edited June 27, 2018 by Mokidugway

[Inga Horwood]

I've just driven home from Turton through Bolton.  The bank of smog extends west through Bolton onto the East Lancashire Plain, as far as I could see from the highest point on Chorley Old Road.

[Weather-history]

A brilliant sun pillar the other evening, last evening a brilliant sundog. Crows decide to intervene as I took a shot!

Noctilucent clouds have been evident, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn have been shining brilliantly in the southern sky.

What a month this is turning out to be.

[Inga Horwood]

25 minutes ago, Inga Horwood said:

I've just driven home from Turton through Bolton.  The bank of smog extends west through Bolton onto the East Lancashire Plain, as far as I could see from the highest point on Chorley Old Road.

Oops.  West Lancashire plain.

[Spurry]

Hot,Hazy and a definite smokey smell in the air.

 

[iand61]

1 hour ago, Inga Horwood said:

Oops.  West Lancashire plain.

Nice bit of self correction there but I think we all knew what you meant

no smoke from the fire here but you can see it to the south of us and a friend in St Helens has just asked if it’s as bad here as it is over there.

[Weather-history]

Smoke comes over in patches. Can smell the smoke and its hazy.

[Deep Snow please]

Bleeding heck. I'll be going on holiday to get some rain if tonight's models come off.

[Mokidugway]

I can see the smoke plumbe lol plume to my south 

Edited June 27, 2018 by Mokidugway

[damianslaw]

Warmest sustained spell of weather since July 2014 here at the moment, got some way to go yet before we can rival July 2013. However, there are definate shades of late June 95 about things now - carbon copy synoptics, when the warmest conditions were unusually reserved for the NW quarter of the UK.

A cooldown from Friday. 

It doesn't get any better than this for summer weather in the Lakes - perfect synoptics, at the lightest time of year. A similiar placed high in late August whilst possibly delivering warmer temps, would not feel the same at all - given the lower light levels, shorter days etc. 

[Inga Horwood]

13 hours ago, iand61 said:

Nice bit of self correction there but I think we all knew what you meant

no smoke from the fire here but you can see it to the south of us and a friend in St Helens has just asked if it’s as bad here as it is over there.

I think I am like Terry Pratchett's kind of troll.  I need cold weather for my brain to work properly!

Incidentally, our walk took us by the Entwistle and Wayoh reservoirs - I was shocked to see them so low.  Right on cue, BBC North West warned us to start using water responsibly.  The Jumbles was topped up though, fortunately for the lads jumping into it.

[Frost HoIIow]

Morning all another sunny start, looking at the news 100 troops with specialised equipment have been deployed to the fire on Saddleworth Moor so this should help but after today the breeze will increase a bit so god knows how the fire will respond. 

[severe snowstorm]

2 hours ago, Frost HoIIow said:

Morning all another sunny start, looking at the news 100 troops with specialised equipment have been deployed to the fire on Saddleworth Moor so this should help but after today the breeze will increase a bit so god knows how the fire will respond. 

Yes, wind set to strengthen significantly from tomorrow so the fear is that this will act to fan the flames, spreading the fire quicker. Emergency services are doing fantastic work in very challenging conditions. Total respect to the men and women involved. Correct call to request assistance from the army, though this should have been done long before today.

[toggerob]

18 wildfires across the Peak District this year alone as mentioned by the Fire Service on Tuesday, the upper Goyt Valley had 2 major fires within 8 months of each other. I don't know if throwing resources is the solution to the problem, but the past decade had been low in major incidents up until grouseland fires were made an offence due to laws passed down by the encouragement of the Park.

Do we go back to having controlled fires which at least manages the build-up of peat and is only a eyesore until nature reclaims again, or let the biodecay grow in-situ for years and years until the point where it's 5ft deep in places and one spark is enough to create another scenario as seen with this.

[Methuselah]

Not an easy question to answer, S_J...I do, however, suspect that any fire-risk could be reduced by about 90% by simply removing the commonest source of unwanted ignition: imbecilic human beings with their barbecues and dog-ends? Restrict access to all national parks while the fire-risk is so high...

[Deep Snow please]

1 hour ago, Dexter said:

Yes, wind set to strengthen significantly from tomorrow so the fear is that this will act to fan the flames, spreading the fire quicker. Emergency services are doing fantastic work in very challenging conditions. Total respect to the men and women involved. Correct call to request assistance from the army, though this should have been done long before today.

 

Good to see them called in, for the RAF helicopter alone by the looks of it. The wind speed tomorrow will be a key factor and just got to hope it doesn't fan the flames. Those poor folk on those teams though, would be backbreaking doing that job in normal conditions let alone when it's like this.