Storm Georgina - Atlantic Storm 7

[Nick F]

57 minutes ago, Frosty hollows said:

That squall line on the radar is impressive.Expecct temps will fall away rapidly after it passes through.Currently 13.2C

Temperatures ahead of the cold front 12-13C across southern and eastern England. behind the front dropping to 6-8C across Wales and N England currently. 

Winds are gusting 40-50mph widely inland ahead of the cold front, 50-60mph with exposure.

Edited January 24, 2018 by Nick F

[Lincs Observation]

Squall line has hit my god the rain is coming down hard very impressive indeed.

LO

[sunnijim]

1 hour ago, Nick F said:

Met Eireann named Georgina first and not UK Met Office, yet all the gusts in Ireland have been below 70 mph and winds are now easing here, and these gusts mostly exposed over headlands/ coastal locations in the west - where there's probably not many people, certainly not at night when the strongest winds went through. Top gusts of 67mph at Malin Head, 65mph at Belmullet.

Yet on mainland UK gusts of 83mph at Capel Curig and 74mph at Aberdaron in Wales - yet not even a yellow warning in this area. Makes you wonder whether this system of naming and releasing warnings is always fit for purpose!

Centre of Georgina must be not far west of Western Isles now, 79mph gust at Benbecula, looks deeper, 959mb, than I think models suggested yesterday

After last week's fiasco when an unnmed storm whistled through causing damage and disruption,the whole naming system seems flawed to me,the joint enterprise with the Irish met should work,however they seem to have different perimiters for naming storms.The Irish have strong warnings for lesser impacts than mainland UK.

[Nick L]

I'm pretty sure the Met Office have just given up on the whole storm naming thing.

[seb]

15 minutes ago, Nick L said:

I'm pretty sure the Met Office have just given up on the whole storm naming thing.

Which is fine but the lack of warnings today and last week (in fact removing an existing warning just to issue another one AFTER the storm has arrived and already caused damage) is an entirely different kettle of fish. Not quite sure what is going on in Exeter.

[Gael_Force]

21 minutes ago, Nick L said:

I'm pretty sure the Met Office have just given up on the whole storm naming thing.

It seemed like a good idea to have a name for a social media hashtag but in reality it has been trashed by the tabloids and thoroughly confused people! 

[wimblettben]

Pretty fun morning here with very gusty winds.

Many gusts in the 30s mph and there may have been higher in more exposed spots in the garden.

Very squally rain just passed as well.

[Frosty hollows]

Squall line passed through about an hour ago. Biblical rain for 15 minutes. Temps falling away rapidly now...down to 9C from 13. Wind has dropped too

[Katrine Basso]

The winds have calmed down a lot from 33 mph gusts down to 5.7 mph from a Southerly direction. There have been heavy showers of rain.  The temperature has gone down from 13 °C  to 8.5 °C .

[Sneachtastorm]

Met Éireann have criteria for their warnings. Once gusts of 120kph/75mph are predicted that meets the start of their Orange warning criteria. It doesn't matter which part of the county it hits. While the Met office would have a yellow warning for this in NW Scotland where if it were the hit London City they'd have orange or red for 75mph gusts.

[wimblettben]

Looks like we peaked at 45mph right before the squall came through.

[biggreyface]

7 hours ago, seb said:

Which is fine but the lack of warnings today and last week (in fact removing an existing warning just to issue another one AFTER the storm has arrived and already caused damage) is an entirely different kettle of fish. Not quite sure what is going on in Exeter.

Just like any other company  when you lose a big contract  (and a lot of money) it's usually the beginning of a  slippery slope .

When things like this  happen bad luck seems to follow .like maybe a flood or a fire breaks out? 

I hope they have a good insurance policy.  Certainly over the last couple of weeks the met office haven't covered themselves in glory

[Liam J]

Watching the local news, mature trees uprooted, power cuts, landslides and flooding this morning. How the Met office didn’t issue at least a yellow warning for this I don’t know! Storm naming and warnings have been abysmal over the last few weeks. 

Edited January 24, 2018 by DisruptiveGust

[CK1981]

2 minutes ago, DisruptiveGust said:

Watching the local news, mature trees uprooted, power cuts, landslides and flooding this morning. How the Met office didn’t issue at least a yellow warning for this I don’t know! Storm naming and warnings have been abysmal over the last few weeks. 

I totally agree! They seem to have dropped the ball recently with regard to these potent wind events.

[Liam J]

Certainly comparable to storm Eleanor a few weeks ago and we had an amber warning for that event! 

 

[Frosty hollows]

2 hours ago, Sneachtastorm said:

Met Éireann have criteria for their warnings. Once gusts of 120kph/75mph are predicted that meets the start of their Orange warning criteria. It doesn't matter which part of the county it hits. While the Met office would have a yellow warning for this in NW Scotland where if it were the hit London City they'd have orange or red for 75mph gusts.

We had 70 mph gusts in London with Eleanor. I think we only had a yellow warning for that.

[Frosty hollows]

1 hour ago, DisruptiveGust said:

Watching the local news, mature trees uprooted, power cuts, landslides and flooding this morning. How the Met office didn’t issue at least a yellow warning for this I don’t know! Storm naming and warnings have been abysmal over the last few weeks. 

Think the 'storm with no name's caused as much disruption round here but we did get a yellow warning. No warning for us in the south last night despite wind gusts predicted at 50 + mph inland

[Sneachtastorm]

1 hour ago, Frosty hollows said:

We had 70 mph gusts in London with Eleanor. I think we only had a yellow warning for that.

70mph wasn't forecast 

[The PIT]

Nothing of note here max gust 49mph.

[seb]

Fully agree with all of the above. We had gusts of 60mph in SE Kent, trees down, fences down, even Medway had tress down with some major roads blocked.

Not sure I agree with the MetOffice being a company having lost a major contract though. It's still a government service, albeit with commercial targets. Severe Weather Warnings should be the main remit and twice in a week they have dropped the ball. This is even worse when considering that a number of private weather services did issue the correct warnings. 

What makes me really angry is the TV and radio forecasts where you have either meteorologists or presenters stating that "it's going to be a windy day with gusts up to 70mph" as if it's nothing just because there is no MetO warning whereas the second there is a warning they act as if the end of the world is upon us.

Edited January 25, 2018 by seb

[Nick L]

3 hours ago, seb said:

Fully agree with all of the above. We had gusts of 60mph in SE Kent, trees down, fences down, even Medway had tress down with some major roads blocked.

Not sure I agree with the MetOffice being a company having lost a major contract though. It's still a government service, albeit with commercial targets. Severe Weather Warnings should be the main remit and twice in a week they have dropped the ball. This is even worse when considering that a number of private weather services did issue the correct warnings. 

What makes me really angry is the TV and radio forecasts where you have either meteorologists or presenters stating that "it's going to be a windy day with gusts up to 70mph" as if it's nothing just because there is no MetO warning whereas the second there is a warning they act as if the end of the world is upon us.

Fully agree with the last paragraph. This is why it's important IMO for TV forecasters to have a good knowledge of meteorology. Unfortunately there's an increasing tendency for presenters to be picked on appearance and "TV friendliness". Can you imagine the likes of the late, great Ian McCaskill ever doing TV forecasts again? Because I can't. 

The worst I saw for this was during the sweltering December 2015. Our local BBC presenter described minimum temperatures of 16c as "fairly mild". Clueless. 

[toggerob]

With the last storm we had it wasn't named by the MetO because it hit at night and thus the impacts were limited, would this mean that had storm-naming began in 1987 the 'great storm' would have also remained nameless due to it hitting at night. So many variables with naming these low's that imo the naming should go out the system and adopt a numerology approach with a secondary category that can be amended based on real-time data. Something like 18.01L (year, storm number, impact likelihood). So for Georgina it would have been categorized as 18.07M. 

Edited January 25, 2018 by SNOW_JOKE

[Jo Farrow]

My fence needs repairing thanks to Georgina. We will await Meteogroup data on BBC forecasts with Met Office warnings, never mind the MetEireann/MO collaboration about Storm names

[sunnijim]

3 hours ago, SNOW_JOKE said:

With the last storm we had it wasn't named by the MetO because it hit at night and thus the impacts were limited, would this mean that had storm-naming began in 1987 the 'great storm' would have also remained nameless due to it hitting at night. So many variables with naming these low's that imo the naming should go out the system and adopt a numerology approach with a secondary category that can be amended based on real-time data. Something like 18.01L (year, storm number, impact likelihood). So for Georgina it would have been categorized as 18.07M. 

I'm not sure that is true? Warnings based on a daytime or nightime event....

I'm sure the long distance truck driver,Postman etc would be made up to hear that rationale when they  plough into a fallen tree!