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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

I lost my earlier massif as my computer froze as I was about to post and no way was I going to plough through it all again so in order to keep track of the evolution I'll skip through and start at T48 00 Sunday.

Here we have the situation where the high block to the east is intensifying and edging NW towards the high area already created over Iceland, whilst to the west the upper trough has been relegated south over Iberia as the conduit ferrying energy from the eastern seaboard is reestablished  Thus a new upper low swings south east to join the one over Iberia, All of this leaves the eastern Atlantic and the UK in a very slack pressure area with various inflows leading to a showery day on Sunday with a complex surface temp structure.

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By 1200 on Monday the two troughs to the south have phased but the next upper is in the pipeline to the west and, driven by a strong low level jet, is about to swing south east very adjacent to to Cornwall. In the meantime the UK remains in a rather benign showery regime albeit the temps slightly more uniform

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Thus by 1200 Tuesday we find the pattern that is going to be most influential next week becoming established with the upper low west of Brest and both the European and Azores highs amplifying and establishing very positive heights north of the UK. The surface low associated with the trough is 991mb in the western Channel resulting in another showery day but much windier with temps just shading above average.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The 0900 geostationary (courtesy DSRS) illustrates very well the complex area of low pressure to the west and associated fronts, the rain from which is currently affecting Scotland, Ni. Ireland and tip of Wales and Cornwall,

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The movement and configuration of this upper low, in conjunction with the amplifying high pressure is quite important vis the evolution next week and at the moment there are sill differences in this time frame between the GFS and ecm,

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The rain over Scotland will tend to die out this evening leaving some patchy rain on the front further south but during the early hours and through tomorrow morning a heavier batch of rain will track NE from the western Channel courtesy of a wave on the front.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The 1800 UTC geostationary. It is the interesting area to the SSW that will produce the bursts of rain over the weekend and of course the warmer air will also drift NE

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Currently there is a complex area of low pressure just to the west, and over the UK, stretching south as far as Iberia. Associated fronts will bring belts of rain up from the south to affect most pars of the UK at one time or another over the weekend whilst at the same time it will be quite mild. One such belt is currently over the south west and it will track north east during the day. Northern Scotland will stay dry but heavy showers will affect N. Ireland. Could well get quite warm in the south east if the sun shines.

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Overnight the rain will persist in the far north but cloudy and mild elsewhere but by morning another belt of rain will affect the south east and move north and by 1800 we have this position. I'll leave it there for the minute as there are some problems with the GFS output this morning.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

To continue from the above

Over Sunday night and into Monday patchy rain will persist in the south as the UK is briefly in a col with quite a varied temp distribution with a front across the south east. But at 1200 the next upper low is west of Ireland and about to swing south east against the block to phase with the trough over Iberia.Thus by 00 Tuesday there is a large negatively tilted trough over the UK stretching south which initiates not only more showery rain outbreaks but a south easterly surface wind.

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By 1800 on Tuesday the upper phasing to the south is complete and there is a large associated complex area of low pressure over France with a myriad  of little centers dotted about with a strengthening easterly wind in the squeeze with the high pressure to the north east. This portends a continuation of the showery routine but the key issue here is really the temp contrasts in the regions subject to different surface flow. Thus the north east coast north of the wash to eastern Scotland will be decidedly chilly in comparison to elsewhere.

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No huge change on Wednesday although the temps in the south east will be lower but changes are afoot but that is not for here. This is of course according to the GFS.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Nothing to do with the current weather but an interesting image from a week ago

Ship and aircraft contrails are visible over the North Atlantic Ocean west of the Iberian Peninsula. Saharan dust can be seen off western Morocco. The island of Madeira is casting a cloud vortex street. Sediment from river run-off colours coastal waters.

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http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/gallery/gallery_image.php?id=2383&size=m

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
2 hours ago, knocker said:

Forecast sounding for the north east on Tuesday :shok:

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How depressing

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Rain persisting in Scotland this evening before clearing whilst another belt tracks NE into the south overnight.

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Intrigued to see how this specific temp forecast for the south east works out tomorrow.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The UK is in a very slack pressure gradient at the moment with fronts loitering near northern Scotland and central southern England. Thus cloudy with patchy rain in these areas, particularly the latter, throughout the day. This will continue overnight but elsewhere where the sun breaks though it could feel quite warm although there is the risk of the odd heavy shower.

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By the morning another wave is forming on the front and moving north bringing more persistent rai and this will affect all of England and Wales by 1800 whilst at the same time producing a fairly complex temp distribution.

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So by 00 Tuesday we have the position we are all familiar with of the next upper trough swinging south east and about to phase with the trough over Iberia courtesy of the block to the east and amplifying high pressure in mid Atlantic (the key to the coming evolution). The associated low pressure has also consolidated  to the south of the UK initiating and easterly flow over the UK, albeit with different inflow sources, leading to marked temp differences N/S but particularly along the north east coast with CAA in the boundary layer creeping inland.

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Over the next 24 hours, by 1800 on Wednesday, both the low to the south and the high cell to the north consolidate so the quite strong easterly is maintained and the temp contrast is even more marked with indeed quite unpleasant conditions north of the Humber where dank conditions under leaden shies portend. Elsewhere perhaps some odd shower being generated.

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There is a desperate need to get rid of the chilling easterly regime but through Thursday the block remains impervious to the large amount of energy still exiting from North America battering away at it

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The GEFS N/H anomaly this morning illustrates very well the intense vortex/lobe over NW N, America, the very strong westerly upper flow exiting the eastern seaboard which diverges in the eastern Atlantic as it hits the block

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  • Location: Wallasey Village, Wirral. 15.7m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Temps under 25 degrees and Disruptive Heavy Snowfall any other time
  • Location: Wallasey Village, Wirral. 15.7m ASL.

Thanks Knocker. Supposed to be heading up to Lindisfarne area on Tues, staying in my camper! Not sure I fancy it now ?

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
32 minutes ago, Chill Pill said:

Thanks Knocker. Supposed to be heading up to Lindisfarne area on Tues, staying in my camper! Not sure I fancy it now ?

Yes I'm afraid your timing for a quick break there does seem a trifle unfortunate as it is turning out Chill Pill

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