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Interesting. Models say DP should be 2 for you at midnight, and that seems to be what is holding back snow tomorrow as uppers are cold enough. One to watch closely.

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2 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

Still at 0 with dp finally gone to -1

What does a lower dp mean? 

Sorry I'm trying to learn 

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4 hours ago, Dami said:

Bubs' school is closed tomorrow, one happy lil one.:yahoo:

Can't really understand why they shut the schools down after a slight to moderate snow fall - when I went to the senior school in the 50's its was often the case during a cold spell that we would still get to school and find that of the delivery of school milk delivered that morning that the bottles would be frozen solid the extent that the milk was expanding out of the bottle and they would be half covered in snow.

It never occurred to us that a snowfall would be an excuse for a day off school. 

The school itself was about a couple of miles from my home - that did not qualify for the school bus - the normal bus service was just one an hour - never did use that - we either walked or cycled. 

Not sure that it is an altogether good thing - kids need to be challenged from time to time and getting to school under adverse conditions helps that - it is character building. 

Meanwhile if anything the temperature at Watford has climbed fractionally to 1 C - no fresh snow and still cloudy. No fresh snow though there is a belt about say 40 miles o the north of us according to the radar. 

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12 minutes ago, Danny* said:

Staplehurst I believe

12 minutes ago, chrisbell-nottheweatherman said:

I should probably change that - that's where I used to live several years ago when I first signed up, but have been in Norwich for quite a while now!

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1 minute ago, Joe Watts said:

Accuweather’s take on tomorrow’s potential “snow”...

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Well that would be perfect for me however unlikely as I don’t value their thoughts at all lol

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12 minutes ago, loafer said:

Interesting. Models say DP should be 2 for you at midnight, and that seems to be what is holding back snow tomorrow as uppers are cold enough. One to watch closely.

Well unless xc weather is playing up the models are wrong. Even have frost on cars.

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Hard to believe it was blowing a gale out there earlier, now it’s as still a.f.

 

 

 

expecting only rain here, but who knows, can’t rule out the odd bit of hail ;)

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8 minutes ago, steveinsussex said:

Well that would be perfect for me however unlikely as I don’t value their thoughts at all lol

Their UK winter forecast (released recently) called for a particularly mild and stormy winter this year... hmmm haha

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12 minutes ago, mike Meehan said:

Can't really understand why they shut the schools down after a slight to moderate snow fall - when I went to the senior school in the 50's its was often the case during a cold spell that we would still get to school and find that of the delivery of school milk delivered that morning that the bottles would be frozen solid the extent that the milk was expanding out of the bottle and they would be half covered in snow.

It never occurred to us that a snowfall would be an excuse for a day off school. 

The school itself was about a couple of miles from my home - that did not qualify for the school bus - the normal bus service was just one an hour - never did use that - we either walked or cycled. 

Not sure that it is an altogether good thing - kids need to be challenged from time to time and getting to school under adverse conditions helps that - it is character building. 

Meanwhile if anything the temperature at Watford has climbed fractionally to 1 C - no fresh snow and still cloudy. No fresh snow though there is a belt about say 40 miles o the north of us according to the radar. 

Totally agree - everyone has become soft these days. There is no character building for kids. It’s given on a plate. But that’s another subject. Tomorrow I expect like today will have some people with accumulation whilst others just rain. 

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14 minutes ago, mike Meehan said:

Can't really understand why they shut the schools down after a slight to moderate snow fall - when I went to the senior school in the 50's its was often the case during a cold spell that we would still get to school and find that of the delivery of school milk delivered that morning that the bottles would be frozen solid the extent that the milk was expanding out of the bottle and they would be half covered in snow.

It never occurred to us that a snowfall would be an excuse for a day off school. 

The school itself was about a couple of miles from my home - that did not qualify for the school bus - the normal bus service was just one an hour - never did use that - we either walked or cycled.

yeah, remember it well, and the walking to school in the snow, that was how i fell into an icy puddle one day when i was little in the street, going to school. And the frozen milk, and sitting in class in gloves and coat because there was no heatingThen going home and having liver stew which was warming and which i guess modern youngsters wouldn't eat.

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Schools are shut tomorrow here too. We have a pretty treacherous maze of country lanes though, and the compacted snow has made most of the cars trying to leave our road haven’t been especially successful.

I know it probably seems a bit pathetic that there is disruption and closures but people genuinely can’t drive safely in conditions like this because they are so rare. If you take the high school near us with 1000 students, that’s potentially 1000 road accidents waiting to happen. You can imagine on the flip side the kind of grief that school would get if any of their students or teachers were injured in a car accident in snow because they had to get to work.

For me, I’ve got to make the call to either get my usual 6.30am bus to get to the station, or work from home. I’m probably going to take the latter, given I’m fortunate enough to have the option.

if we get a drop more snow it’s be most welcome!

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19 minutes ago, James Oliver said:

What does a lower dp mean? 

Sorry I'm trying to learn 

Hi, it’s the atmospheric temperature and for snow to fall the dew point at your location needs to be 0 degrees or below otherwise you will only ever get rain even if the 850 temperatures are very low. You could have -20 upper air temperature and a 2m temp of -3 but if your dew points are above 0 you will have plain old rain 

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21 minutes ago, James Oliver said:

What does a lower dp mean? 

Sorry I'm trying to learn 

Dew Point. You need to be looking for a it to be 0.c or below or you'll get rain not snow.

Edited by Team Squirrel

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15 minutes ago, mike Meehan said:

Can't really understand why they shut the schools down after a slight to moderate snow fall - when I went to the senior school in the 50's its was often the case during a cold spell that we would still get to school and find that of the delivery of school milk delivered that morning that the bottles would be frozen solid the extent that the milk was expanding out of the bottle and they would be half covered in snow.

It never occurred to us that a snowfall would be an excuse for a day off school. 

The school itself was about a couple of miles from my home - that did not qualify for the school bus - the normal bus service was just one an hour - never did use that - we either walked or cycled. 

Not sure that it is an altogether good thing - kids need to be challenged from time to time and getting to school under adverse conditions helps that - it is character building. 

Meanwhile if anything the temperature at Watford has climbed fractionally to 1 C - no fresh snow and still cloudy. No fresh snow though there is a belt about say 40 miles o the north of us according to the radar. 

I don't understand it either, I went to school in the 80s and was always gutted when I would listen to the radio and never hear my school called out, the head master used to walk 5 miles in the snow to have it open on time.

Where I work expect me to get in unless I want to not get paid, or use a days holiday.

Teaching kids to give up for bit of snow is not good, especially if climate change makes severe weather worse in the future

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3 minutes ago, Frostbite1980 said:

Hi, it’s the atmospheric temperature and for snow to fall the dew point at your location needs to be 0 degrees or below otherwise you will only ever get rain even if the 850 temperatures are very low. You could have -20 upper air temperature and a 2m temp of -3 but if your dew points are above 0 you will have plain old rain 

Thanks. Appreciate the explanation 😁

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1 minute ago, James Oliver said:

Thanks. Appreciate the explanation 😁

No worries mate and ask away, plenty of knowledgeable people in this threat for sure 👍

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2 minutes ago, Rob Deacon said:

I don't understand it either, I went to school in the 80s and was always gutted when I would listen to the radio and never hear my school called out, the head master used to walk 5 miles in the snow to have it open on time.

Where I work expect me to get in unless I want to not get paid, or use a days holiday.

Teaching kids to give up for bit of snow is not good, especially if climate change makes severe weather worse in the future

The only time i missed school because of cold not snow, although there was lot's of snow about too, was because the pipes got frozen. Even went to school the day after the big storm.

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13 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

Well unless xc weather is playing up the models are wrong. Even have frost on cars.

Frost here too...only bit of wintriness I saw here was on my way home about 4pm when the drizzle turned sleety.

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We actually have fog here at the moment. So 4 inches on the ground maybe and freezing fog....

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1 minute ago, Team Jo said:

We actually have fog here at the moment. So 4 inches on the ground maybe and freezing fog....

Brrrr. Sounds very cold.

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35 minutes ago, Joe Watts said:

Accuweather’s take on tomorrow’s potential “snow”...

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wtf the colours should be the other way around!! I got all excited there for a minute! :wallbash::diablo:Looks like I'lll have to face it - mostly likely rain tomorrow or even worse..... *shudders * 'wintry mix' :bad:

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37 minutes ago, James Oliver said:

What does a lower dp mean? 

Sorry I'm trying to learn 

Dew Point is the temperature at which moisture in the air condenses. A DP below 0 increases the chances of whatever falls from the sky being of the frozen variety, amongst many other factors.

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Dew point still 2 here. I can't see it coming down enough to produce anything tomorrow, despite Met Office's insistence I'll get at least light snow. I still think it's brilliant so many of us got to see decent snow today but I hope there's another event soon and I see some too :D

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