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9 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Maybe. A sad indictment on the PL and English players. Progress? No.

Anyone old enough to remember the England 1970 World Cup team and squad? Anyone who isnt take a look on Youtube. Bobby Moore was class and totally comfortable playing out from the back. To think that almost 50 years on England cant produce players who can play like him or his old 'foe' Beckanbauer, is dreadful.

Anyone who thinks an England team/squad can win trophies lumping the ball forward needs to watch some footage from Graham Taylor's England manager era.

#realitycheck

There is a difference between playing the long ball game and being direct.    A high intensity  high press game would be more beneficial (for us at least )   As our squad currently stands  our midfield is not blessed with technical players.  Infact i can only really think of one.  and he is to young and  has hardly played for is club    We have pace through out the side  and  possibly the best right back (delivery wise) in Europe    Popping it off to feet  will not help us  infact  against Holland  we be came outnumbered in Midfield  mainly because our players wanted to take a second  touch. And as a footnote during the taylor era  up top we had   Shearer  And an ageing Lineker  Clough and Alan Smith.   Comparing our forwards to them are chalk and cheese  Our forwards are ideal for a more direct style of play    and that is why Taylors more direct approach didnt work.    

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18 minutes ago, weirpig said:

There is a difference between playing the long ball game and being direct.    A high intensity  high press game would be more beneficial (for us at least )   As our squad currently stands  our midfield is not blessed with technical players.  Infact i can only really think of one.  and he is to young and  has hardly played for is club    We have pace through out the side  and  possibly the best right back (delivery wise) in Europe    Popping it off to feet  will not help us  infact  against Holland  we be came outnumbered in Midfield  mainly because our players wanted to take a second  touch. And as a footnote during the taylor era  up top we had   Shearer  And an ageing Lineker  Clough and Alan Smith.   Comparing our forwards to them are chalk and cheese  Our forwards are ideal for a more direct style of play    and that is why Taylors more direct approach didnt work.    

i wouldnt even put our forwards in the same league as a Shearer or Lineker..thats something we lack is a world class striker/centre forward

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6 minutes ago, cheeky_monkey said:

i wouldnt even put our forwards in the same league as a Shearer or Lineker..thats something we lack is a world class striker/centre forward

I was talking more about the pace our forwards have  shearer  lineker were lethal in front of goal  but possessing electric pace they did not 

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37 minutes ago, weirpig said:

I was talking more about the pace our forwards have  shearer  lineker were lethal in front of goal  but possessing electric pace they did not 

you don't need electric pace to be a world class forward..as you said being lethal in front goal is what counts..we don't have a natural goalscorer in the team and haven't for a long while

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3 hours ago, weirpig said:

There is a difference between playing the long ball game and being direct.    A high intensity  high press game would be more beneficial (for us at least )   As our squad currently stands  our midfield is not blessed with technical players.  Infact i can only really think of one.  and he is to young and  has hardly played for is club    We have pace through out the side  and  possibly the best right back (delivery wise) in Europe    Popping it off to feet  will not help us  infact  against Holland  we be came outnumbered in Midfield  mainly because our players wanted to take a second  touch. And as a footnote during the taylor era  up top we had   Shearer  And an ageing Lineker  Clough and Alan Smith.   Comparing our forwards to them are chalk and cheese  Our forwards are ideal for a more direct style of play    and that is why Taylors more direct approach didnt work.    

Direct play doesnt win trophies on the World football 'stage'. 

And England havent got the players. Take a look at the Top 6 or 7 PL clubs. How many English players featured in matches for Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal in the PL last season? You cant even count on one hand for each club for each PL match; in fact you only need a couple of fingers😉

M City, Arsenal and Chelsea played loads of PL matches without a single English player in the starting line-ups. Liverpool, at most, in any one game 3 players? Spurs in some games, maybe 4 or 5. How many English players have won Player of Season award in last 20 seasons?

You see an England squad these days and at least 2/3 of the players arent international standard. Pick a Best 11-man European team for season just finished and not one England player would get in it imo.

 

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11 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Direct play doesnt win trophies on the World football 'stage'. 

And England havent got the players. Take a look at the Top 6 or 7 PL clubs. How many English players featured in matches for Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal in the PL last season? You cant even count on one hand for each club for each PL match; in fact you only need a couple of fingers😉

M City, Arsenal and Chelsea played loads of PL matches without a single English player in the starting line-ups. Liverpool, at most, in any one game 3 players? Spurs in some games, maybe 4 or 5. How many English players have won Player of Season award in last 20 seasons?

You see an England squad these days and at least 2/3 of the players arent international standard. Pick a Best 11-man European team for season just finished and not one England player would get in it imo.

 

Disagree  greece and denmark bith won tournaments playing direct   wales got  to a semi   chile were very unlucky a few years ago playing  direct with a high press   think it very easy to pick on our players  granted they are not as technical as some  but 9 English players missed the Holland game  because they played in the champions league final    we have very good young players coming through  sancho was the stand out player in Germany    sterling was writers player of year  arnold who i mentioned is quicly becoming the best rb in europe  gomez  before his injury was one of the best centre backs in the league     I don't think we are that far away  but passing around the back will not work 

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19 minutes ago, weirpig said:

Disagree  greece and denmark bith won tournaments playing direct   wales got  to a semi   chile were very unlucky a few years ago playing  direct with a high press   think it very easy to pick on our players  granted they are not as technical as some  but 9 English players missed the Holland game  because they played in the champions league final    we have very good young players coming through  sancho was the stand out player in Germany    sterling was writers player of year  arnold who i mentioned is quicly becoming the best rb in europe  gomez  before his injury was one of the best centre backs in the league     I don't think we are that far away  but passing around the back will not work 

Wales were not a "direct" side in Euro 2016, not with players like Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey. We were a compact side difficult to score against and Bale was on fire.

At international level, you need to be able to keep possession, by all means be higher tempo and employ the press and maybe a mix of these elements could be beneficial.

 

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33 minutes ago, J10 said:

Wales were not a "direct" side in Euro 2016, not with players like Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey. We were a compact side difficult to score against and Bale was on fire.

At international level, you need to be able to keep possession, by all means be higher tempo and employ the press and maybe a mix of these elements could be beneficial.

 

Yes but Williams didn't collect the ball from Wayne  and play one two's with the back 4   it was hit quickly to the midfield  then they tried to play the ball quickly to bale    England like most northern European sides  need to play more direct imo  

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The UEFA Nations League is returning in 2020

The group phase will be played over 6 match days from September 2020 to November 2020. The semi-finals, Third place play-off and final will take place between June 2nd to 6th 2021

The format will be slightly revised from 2018/19 with 55 teams divided into 4 leagues 16 teams will be in Leagues A, B, and C with 7 teams in League D

 

The draw for the leagues will take place in Amsterdam on March 3rd 2020

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