Where has all 4 seasons?

[Staffordshire]

Hello all, starting this thread to try and gauge an idea of where would be, i suppose, the 'perfect' climate.

Somewhere with cold, particularly snowy winters, warming up through spring, warm summers with thunderstorms a real feature, and a stormy, variable autumn. Is there anywhere in the world that boasts all of, or nearly all of this? My first thought is maybe New England, but i am not so sure they do great for thunderstorms.

The two components being the warm and convective summers + snowy winters.

[Stargazer]

If you're looking for thunder this map may help:http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/tstorms/tstorms_intro.html. Looks like the Midwest could suit you better, although some might find the winters there a bit too long.

[hillbilly]

I still do not get it??The only thing people want in summer is thunderstorms??If you want them go to Australia,i went there in November 2013 and witnessed storms I have never seen in this country in my life !

[snowray]

In Europe Northern Italy is like that, they get all 4 seasons, and the Balkans all the way from Slovenia to Northern Greece have particularly cold winters with snowfall, often heavy, and hot Summers.

[Paul]

Just about anywhere in the Alps, or indeed the Rockies in Canada/USA. 

Generally you'll get proper winters, proper summers and the mountains tend to help thunderstorms pop up as well.

[Staffordshire]

9 hours ago, hillbilly said:

I still do not get it??The only thing people want in summer is thunderstorms??If you want them go to Australia,i went there in November 2013 and witnessed storms I have never seen in this country in my life !

What differentiated them from ones you have seen in Europe?

[Staffordshire]

1 hour ago, Paul said:

Just about anywhere in the Alps, or indeed the Rockies in Canada/USA. 

Generally you'll get proper winters, proper summers and the mountains tend to help thunderstorms pop up as well.

Alps was also a consideration of mine, maybe the more western side?

[Staffordshire]

14 hours ago, Stargazer said:

If you're looking for thunder this map may help:http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/tstorms/tstorms_intro.html. Looks like the Midwest could suit you better, although some might find the winters there a bit too long.

Looking at that, even Anchorage, Alaska gets more storms in one year than i have in the past 3!

[hillbilly]

14 hours ago, Staffordshire said:

What differentiated them from ones you have seen in Europe?

The lightening was crazy with large hail plentiful,although I did not witness the big stuff it is quite amusing people automatically putting old matresses and carpets on their car roofs,you see plenty of cars that look like someone has set about with a hammer .

[matty40s]

SE Midlands

summer in the UK stopped around the 17th July, 

autumn has been pretty prevalent since start of september - trees turning unusually early.

frost on car in banbury yesterday morning at 6am.

[Mokidugway]

Anywhere on the Colorado plateau beautiful in any of its 4 seasons.

[Frost HoIIow]

Probably somewhere like Asahikawa, Japan. Average high in January -3.5C. Average high in August 26.3C. They get an insane amount of snow in Winter too, one of the snowiest cities on Earth.

[Mokidugway]

1 minute ago, Frost HoIIow said:

Probably somewhere like Asahikawa, Japan. Average high in January -3.5C. Average high in August 26.3C. They get an insane amount of snow in Winter too, one of the snowiest cities on Earth.

Hokkaido ,I agree  it's  got it ,lol

[Mokidugway]

Wifes family  on her mums side are from Sapporo  , I've had experience of it ,lol

 

[mountain shadow]

Huntington, West Virginia. 

[Mokidugway]

12 minutes ago, mountain shadow said:

Huntington, West Virginia. 

Lol  smack me for that 

 

Edited October 8, 2017 by Mokidugway

[AderynCoch]

On 07/10/2017 at 00:32, Frost HoIIow said:

Probably somewhere like Asahikawa, Japan. Average high in January -3.5C. Average high in August 26.3C. They get an insane amount of snow in Winter too, one of the snowiest cities on Earth.

Winter there looks epic but the sunshine hours in summer are pretty naff. Close but no cigar.

New England is the best candidate for me, as summers are indeed thundery (and sunny to boot). No idea about autumn storms though. Bratislava might qualify if you make the winters a bit colder and wetter.

[Mokidugway]

5 minutes ago, AderynCoch said:

Winter there looks epic but the sunshine hours in summer are pretty naff. Close but no cigar.

New England is the best candidate for me, as summers are indeed thundery (and sunny to boot). No idea about autumn storms though. Bratislava might qualify if you make the winters a bit colder and wetter.

I'll settle for Cali , incidentally l I'm going to live in salinas  when I've sold all my sh:t 

Edited October 8, 2017 by Mokidugway

[feb1991blizzard]

On ‎06‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 23:32, Frost HoIIow said:

Probably somewhere like Asahikawa, Japan. Average high in January -3.5C. Average high in August 26.3C. They get an insane amount of snow in Winter too, one of the snowiest cities on Earth.

That's an absolute ripper, I doubt theres anywhere better in winter on Earth - it snows every day but one in jan. wouldn't fancy it in summer.

[Mokidugway]

Winters are stunning in Hokkaido, but I prefer hot ,lol

 

[Frost HoIIow]

3 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:

That's an absolute ripper, I doubt theres anywhere better in winter on Earth - it snows every day but one in jan. wouldn't fancy it in summer.

I would love to experience a winter there, must be an absolute dream!!

[feb1991blizzard]

Just now, Frost HoIIow said:

I would love to experience a winter there, must be an absolute dream!!

Yes, the thing as well, its not just snow grains like Siberia sometimes, its nearly as cold as Siberia so no problems with marginality but its also a right ol tonking as well as been regular/

[Mokidugway]

Sapporo has a snow fair ,it's stunning 

[Summer of 95]

Dream climates again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaghcharan

If this is anywhere near accurate (it says 1968-83) it is the mother of all four season climates. Proper Full Monty seasons. No messing about with 10-15C and cloud for months on end, it is cold and snowy in winter, hot and sunny in summer (but cooling down at night), spring is short, showery and warms up quick, autumn gets sunny mild days and frosty nights. Especially if (as I suspect) some of those April showers come with rumbles and flashes. Just a shame it's over 2000m up in one of the most dangerous areas on the planet. 

Now to try and find one of these climates that's not a) virtually uninhabited b) a war zone c) at over 2000m d) inaccessible except by chartering a plane/chartering a boat/hiking 50 miles over mountains/wrecking the environment with a Landcruiser/being a yak.

This is pretty good as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urmia

Now is there anywhere with this kind of climate where I could, having seen something that hardly ever happens here (a MCS, more than 15cm of snow, over 250 hours of sun in a month) publicly toast the weather gods with a nice jug of ale without being arrested. By all accounts there are parts of America where that goes down as well as in Iran or Afghanistan, so we'll leave there for now (Utah has some fantastic climates, can the morons with an extra M be convinced their promised land is Campbell Island instead?)  

Canada is probably OK for it though, let's try there. Inland British Columbia to be precise. Kelowna, BC has a pretty good climate looking at the Wiki data (just a bit gloomy in winter, but with snow that's more bearable than 10C and drizzle); however digging a bit deeper it seems that the airport is not representative of the city (one source says 75 days snow cover versus 50, another site has someone reporting seeing a foot of snow at the airport and only partial cover downtown- can't be doing with that sort of thing especially If it is only 100-200m of elevation causing it). Kamloops is also decent-looking but might not get totally reliable snowcover (dry winters with a fair few days well above zero).

Got it. Williams Lake, BC is 98% perfect. Just a little wet in summer, though if it's thundery it doesn't matter, and it gets a damn sight more sun than here does. Average high -2C in winter and 26C in summer, 2000 hours of sun and 400mm precipitation. 90cm of snow (170 if you go up to the airport, that's 400m higher which is acceptable- it still gets 22C highs up there at 900m in summer). It's almost the same latitude as here, so no strange day length cycles (below about 40 degrees I find the sun sets too early in summer and rises to early the rest of the time, except in Spain where they fix it 2 hours ahead of solar time). 10,000 people (so big enough to meet criterion A) of whom all but 80 speak English (who would have thought back in the days when we had something resembling seasons, that I'd be able to get Canadian census data for the tap of a screen). Same latitude, same language, same queen, same size as a typical Shropshire/Marches town, just a decent climate. Oh and the stampede looks a lot more fun than the Shrewsbury Flower Show.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_Lake,_British_Columbia

PS I know there are a few Canadians on here. On the small off-chance it is the kind of place where life consists of standing in cow dung all day, then necking a bottle of cheap whisky before going home to have a domestic with wife-cousin, don't tell me. There are places rather like that round here, Won't Ever Mention their names. I just have this image of climate nirvana, I don't want it spoilt. 

[Staffordshire]

On 10/6/2017 at 23:05, Mokidugway said:

Anywhere on the Colorado plateau beautiful in any of its 4 seasons.

Does it even get an 'autumn', gales included?