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35 minutes ago, Mark wheeler said:

Has anybody seen this yet ? . I have not got around to it but hopefully will do soon .

 

Some amazing genuine hero's in that film. Proper hero's not Hollywood ones.

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Some of the designs etc in this are  amazing , have read it before but thought I’d share with all .  Something to note is that it’s not just German fighters in this list as you will soon  realise and also many are prototypes etc that makes it all the more interesting. 

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/ww2-german-fighter-aircraft.asp

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17 hours ago, Mark wheeler said:

Some of the designs etc in this are  amazing , have read it before but thought I’d share with all .  Something to note is that it’s not just German fighters in this list as you will soon  realise and also many are prototypes etc that makes it all the more interesting. 

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/ww2-german-fighter-aircraft.asp

The M.E 110 was quite vulnerable during the Battle of Britain,but proved itself as a very capable Night Fighter when fitted with Schrage Musik.

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1 hour ago, 78/79 said:

The M.E 110 was quite vulnerable during the Battle of Britain,but proved itself as a very capable Night Fighter when fitted with Schrage Musik.

The Me 210,the 110 replacement was one of the worst designed aircraft of the whole war. Found a role latter on as a ground attack platform but nothing like as good as the 110.

On the other scale not sure if folk know but the first jet bomber,ie designed as a bomber,the Arado Ar 234 was the last Luftwaffe aircraft to sortie over the the UK  in the closing days of the war,this shows how advanced some of the German aircraft production had become. It was originally designed as the platform for the carrying platform for the Nazi nuclear bomb.

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22 hours ago, markyo said:

The Me 210,the 110 replacement was one of the worst designed aircraft of the whole war. Found a role latter on as a ground attack platform but nothing like as good as the 110.

On the other scale not sure if folk know but the first jet bomber,ie designed as a bomber,the Arado Ar 234 was the last Luftwaffe aircraft to sortie over the the UK  in the closing days of the war,this shows how advanced some of the German aircraft production had become. It was originally designed as the platform for the carrying platform for the Nazi nuclear bomb.

The allies , especially the Americans, soon spirited the German Rocket Scientists away to work on their  Space/ rocket programmes. I read somewhere , that  an equally blind eye was turned with  some former members of the S.D and Gestapo ,because of their specialist knowledge of the Soviet Union intelligence units.

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18 hours ago, 78/79 said:

The allies , especially the Americans, soon spirited the German Rocket Scientists away to work on their  Space/ rocket programmes. I read somewhere , that  an equally blind eye was turned with  some former members of the S.D and Gestapo ,because of their specialist knowledge of the Soviet Union intelligence units.

Operation Paperclip was pivotal in the US defence and space program after the war.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

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This is a little known event  in 1940  following the capitulation of the Polish Army .25,000 Polish officers murdered on the orders of Stalin , and carried out by the N.K.V.D.

Initially the Germans were blamed , but the Russians finally admitted culpability in the 1990's. 

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Thank you @Mark wheeler for that spitfire post you put up a few days ago, it made me have goosebumps. It was an incredible machine with some incredible pilots. Do you know what it’s original name was going to be in the production stage??? 

   I do have to say though we need to give credit where credit is due and that’s to the men that flew the Hurricane. It played such a massive role in the Battle Of Britain but I believe it gets left out quite a lot which is such a shame. There were 38 active Hurricane squadrons active (including auxiliary) that were part of WW2  and 21 active Spitfire Squadrons. 

To me though it doesn’t matter what they flew whether it be a spitfire or a bomber in my eyes they are all incredible human beings who we owe a considerable debt to. 

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To little is said regarding the Hurricane. Pilots loved the more stable firing platform the air frame allowed,the Spitfire had a tendency to twitch more on firing.

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So sad to see the news Flight Lt Ronald Mackay had passed away,the few are getting fewer rapidly now. Only 8 are left who flew in the battle. Everyone a true hero to this day.

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A very interesting watch,things could have been very different.

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On 15/08/2018 at 04:46, markyo said:

A very interesting watch,things could have been very different.

Have you read up on operation unthinkable?

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7 hours ago, cheeky_monkey said:

Have you read up on operation unthinkable?

I have now! Thanks.

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75 years ago..the biggest battles of the war were being fought out across the Ukraine..after the failure of operation citadel and the eventual loss of Kharkov, the Germans were desperately trying to stem the soviet advance towards the Dnieper river and Kiev..nearly 4 million men slugged it out on the open plains for 5 months ..casualties amounted to close to 2 million..with Russians losses at a staggering 1.6 million..here the German army lost all hope of ever forcing a draw on the eastern front.

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Ok not ww2 but ww1. They shall not grow old by peter jackson. Looks amazing what they did with the old grainy black and white footage  using the latest technology. 

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On 16th October when this is being shown at many (but sadly not all) cinemas around the country, I shall be away on holiday and unfortunately nowhere near one of the available venues.  I delayed my holiday for a week so I could see some of my family visiting the UK from Australia.  How’s that for rotten timing!  So disappointed, would have loved to have seen this.  If anyone is fortunate enough to get to see it, would you be kind enough to put some comment/details on here please?  Very big please? :)

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24 minutes ago, Soaring Hawk said:

On 16th October when this is being shown at many (but sadly not all) cinemas around the country, I shall be away on holiday and unfortunately nowhere near one of the available venues.  I delayed my holiday for a week so I could see some of my family visiting the UK from Australia.  How’s that for rotten timing!  So disappointed, would have loved to have seen this.  If anyone is fortunate enough to get to see it, would you be kind enough to put some comment/details on here please?  Very big please? 

I think it's going to be shown on the BBC on Nov 11th.

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On 02/10/2018 at 10:26, sundog said:

Ok not ww2 but ww1. They shall not grow old by peter jackson. Looks amazing what they did with the old grainy black and white footage  using the latest technology. 

Looks amazing, I can recall seeing Harry Patch in Wells High St not long before he passed away. He had his B.W.M and V.M up  along with his DCLI cap badge.

He was probably on his way to some  event .

102 years ago the Battle of the Somme was still dragging on,with attacks along the Transloy ridges, and the Butte de Warlencourt ,it would finally conclude in November , with gains of about 8 miles, and combined casualties of over 1 million. In March of 1917 , the Germans withdrew to the Hindenburg line,finally conceding the ground that it had so tenaciously held  .

 

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I was in Nuremberg last week, ended up having a very in depth discussion with some German colleagues regarding the EU, the third Reich and wars. There is concern that the relative peace we've enjoyed in europe over the last 70 + years may disintegrate with Brexit...

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11 hours ago, 78/79 said:

Looks amazing, I can recall seeing Harry Patch in Wells High St not long before he passed away. He had his B.W.M and V.M up  along with his DCLI cap badge.

 

Yes it does look amazing.  I've seen coloured ww1 footage before , for example the series ww1 in colour from the early 2000s which i have on dvd ( Harry patch was in that series talking about his experience of the war). But as good for the time the colourization was in that series what Jackson  has done with they shall not grow old looks to be easily the best compared  to other coloured footage and how clear  it looks. Taken it  to a different level. 

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23 hours ago, JeffC said:

I was in Nuremberg last week, ended up having a very in depth discussion with some German colleagues regarding the EU, the third Reich and wars. There is concern that the relative peace we've enjoyed in europe over the last 70 + years may disintegrate with Brexit...

That wouldn't surprise me, but I really hope that never happens.

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2 hours ago, mistyqueen said:

That wouldn't surprise me, but I really hope that never happens.

Indeed....but it did feel quite strange...I mean, I've been in lots of other places with lots of history often quite unpleasant history. Somehow driving round parts of Nuremberg felt....especially disquieting.

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