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#NameOurStorms: is it a good idea?


Should we keep the #NameOurStorms scheme?  

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  1. 1. Should we keep the #NameOurStorms scheme?

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  • Location: Cheddington, Buckinghamshire
  • Weather Preferences: Winter: Cold & Snowy, Summer: Just not hot
  • Location: Cheddington, Buckinghamshire

    Overdosing with cringe reading that.

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  • Location: East Lothian
  • Weather Preferences: Not too hot, excitement of snow, a hoolie
  • Location: East Lothian

    We've only reached E so far this year, this whole alphabet thing seems surplus to requirement.  Use an ongoing list. Just use F in September (Fleur), nobody cares. 

     

    OR create some hype with a twitter poll https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1428675165609775105

     

     

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  • Location: East Lothian
  • Weather Preferences: Not too hot, excitement of snow, a hoolie
  • Location: East Lothian

    New storm list, got up to E last year. F the year before

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  • Location: Hampshire
  • Location: Hampshire

    The issue with the storm list IMO is that it's focused primarily on winds, and insufficiently on rain/snow. We've had some big rain (and occasionally snow, see March 2018) events down here which were arguably much more severe in this area than many of the named storms, but few were named.

    Indeed, it's so much so that in a typical year the named storms are often not the most severe weather events. Take last August (2020) - we had four lows towards the end of the month, the first and last were the most notable for thunderstorms and heavy rain, but the middle two were named because they produced the highest winds. And it's the first and last I remember best.

    Also it seems to be equally applied to anything that produces severe winds (e.g. a trough) rather than discrete lows. This just doesn't 'seem right', even if the impacts are significant. For instance towards the end of Jan 2014 we had a cold front which produced severe winds for 5 minutes, enough to bring parts of the rail network to a standstill. A severe event, yes - but not really a storm in the Oct 1987, Jan 1990 or St Judes 2013 sense.

    I'd say that, to be named, it should impact the vast majority of the UK (for instance the Feb 2020 storms)

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  • Location: Motherwell
  • Weather Preferences: windy
  • Location: Motherwell

    If a stormy spell is only affecting the highlands or islands it probably shouldn't be named but if it's affecting the east of NI or the central belt then surely it should be named as there could be 1m + people in the area being affected. If we didn't name wind storms unless they affected the south east then there would only be 1 or 2 or none some years...

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  • Location: East Lothian
  • Weather Preferences: Not too hot, excitement of snow, a hoolie
  • Location: East Lothian
    2 hours ago, Summer8906 said:

    The issue with the storm list IMO is that it's focused primarily on winds, and insufficiently on rain/snow. We've had some big rain (and occasionally snow, see March 2018) events down here which were arguably much more severe in this area than many of the named storms, but few were named.

    Indeed, it's so much so that in a typical year the named storms are often not the most severe weather events. Take last August (2020) - we had four lows towards the end of the month, the first and last were the most notable for thunderstorms and heavy rain, but the middle two were named because they produced the highest winds. And it's the first and last I remember best.

    Also it seems to be equally applied to anything that produces severe winds (e.g. a trough) rather than discrete lows. This just doesn't 'seem right', even if the impacts are significant. For instance towards the end of Jan 2014 we had a cold front which produced severe winds for 5 minutes, enough to bring parts of the rail network to a standstill. A severe event, yes - but not really a storm in the Oct 1987, Jan 1990 or St Judes 2013 sense.

    I'd say that, to be named, it should impact the vast majority of the UK (for instance the Feb 2020 storms)

    The Met Office have said that there needs to be a windstorm, a distinct low at the heart of the event, to get a name. Although all rules for naming a storm are able to be (and have been) broken. Desmond is the one held up as an example of a significant rain event and KMNI did name a snow one last year for the Netherlands. 

    I'm happy for one affecting just the far north of Britain or the far south to be named but that it is done in good time. If this is a communication tool, don't announce it at 11pm or 10am, when its missed the main news broadcasts. 

    It does seem that the whole #NameourStorms circus is becoming the main focus and celebration for social media announcements rather than the actual job of warning about severe weather in a clear, consistent way.

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    Posted
  • Location: Hampshire
  • Location: Hampshire
    2 hours ago, Ross90 said:

    If a stormy spell is only affecting the highlands or islands it probably shouldn't be named but if it's affecting the east of NI or the central belt then surely it should be named as there could be 1m + people in the area being affected. If we didn't name wind storms unless they affected the south east then there would only be 1 or 2 or none some years...

    Any severe event definitely merits warnings, which should be well publicised - but, and this is perhaps my own idiosyncrasies coming across here - I think a named one needs to be a country-wide event, the sort of thing which will live on in most people's memories. Granted there would perhaps only be 1 or 2 of these per year - but if so I'd just keep the same name list in consecutive years.

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  • Location: Motherwell
  • Weather Preferences: windy
  • Location: Motherwell

    That's a fair point actually... I really can't remember the majority of named storms. Only 3 really stand out and one of them was in 1998 with the other couple being almost 10 years ago. Unless it results in a red warning it tends to feel like just another windy day.

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  • Location: East Lothian
  • Weather Preferences: Not too hot, excitement of snow, a hoolie
  • Location: East Lothian
    42 minutes ago, Summer8906 said:

    Any severe event definitely merits warnings, which should be well publicised - but, and this is perhaps my own idiosyncrasies coming across here - I think a named one needs to be a country-wide event, the sort of thing which will live on in most people's memories. Granted there would perhaps only be 1 or 2 of these per year - but if so I'd just keep the same name list in consecutive years.

    I think keeping going with the same list is fine, Central Pacific do that , have a circular list which just continues for hurricane names

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  • Location: East Lothian
  • Weather Preferences: Not too hot, excitement of snow, a hoolie
  • Location: East Lothian

    SW Europe group names out today as well

    Spain Portugal and France. So if a low has already been named by this grouping, then it keeps that name. Like Alex and Barbara last season which nicked in before Western Grouping "Aiden"

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  • Location: Cheddington, Buckinghamshire
  • Weather Preferences: Winter: Cold & Snowy, Summer: Just not hot
  • Location: Cheddington, Buckinghamshire

    I look forward to another Autumn/Winter of bizarre inconsistencies with storm naming. It's always good entertainment!

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  • Location: Efford, Plymouth
  • Weather Preferences: Misty Autumn Mornings, Thunderstorms and snow
  • Location: Efford, Plymouth

    Storm Corrie?

     

    That's going to led to issues with tabloids surely? 

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  • Location: Hampshire
  • Location: Hampshire
    2 hours ago, Jo Farrow said:

    SW Europe group names out today as well

    Spain Portugal and France. So if a low has already been named by this grouping, then it keeps that name. Like Alex and Barbara last season which nicked in before Western Grouping "Aiden"

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    Alex from last season is definitely one which stands out due to its rain (if I remember right, its associated fronts moved west to east one day, then east to west again, then finally west to east once more, giving three consecutive days of significant rain) and one which I think would qualify unambiguously as a named storm. Also affected a huge area of western Europe, so definitely one of the stand-out systems of the entire season.

    Can't recall Barbara significantly as there were a lot of lows and fronts during that week. The most memorable was the one which gave a lot of rain on the Saturday, probably due to being a weekend!

    Surprised the France-Spain-Portugal group omits a 'Q' storm, as Q is a common letter in languages from that part of Europe.

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  • Location: East Lothian
  • Weather Preferences: Not too hot, excitement of snow, a hoolie
  • Location: East Lothian
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  • Location: Poole, Dorset 42m ASL
  • Location: Poole, Dorset 42m ASL

    Having a forename that begins with a "Q", I do kinda feel hacked off that we get omitted, even if it wont reach that point in a bad winter, unless of course the parameters change...

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