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Antibiotic resistance: World on cusp of 'post-antibiotic era'

 

The world is on the cusp of a "post-antibiotic era", scientists have warned after finding bacteria resistant to drugs used when all other treatments have failed.

 

They identified bacteria able to shrug off the drug of last resort - colistin - in patients and livestock in China.

 

They said that resistance would spread around the world and raised the spectre of untreatable infections.

 

Experts said the worrying development needed to act as a global wake-up call.

 

Bacteria becoming completely resistant to treatment - also known as the antibiotic apocalypse - could plunge medicine back into the dark ages.

 

Common infections would kill once again, while surgery and cancer therapies, which are reliant on antibiotics, would be under threat.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34857015

 

Of all the potential 'problems' facing the world e.g. climate change, global terrorism, over population, energy security etc, I think personally that a world where antibiotics are no longer effective is possibly the scariest.

 

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Medical boards were warning about this for years. We do our bodies a disservice by giving them drugs they don't need. Our immune systems are amazing at doing their jobs, they only need help sometimes.

 

I think people don't want to deal with being ill for a few days and want a quick fix and the doctors are irresponsible for handing them out like sweets. So what you've got a cold? You'll suffer for a few days and then you'll be fine. Antibiotics are for bacteria, most illnesses we get are viruses so they are mainly ineffectual anyway.

 

On a similar vain, unless you are vulnerable, why are we having the flu jab and now attempting to eradicate colds? We need to get sick sometimes, it's the best way our body builds immunity.

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Yes, to think of all the petty squabbles we have going on right now, this is something that is truly terrifying.

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Medical boards were warning about this for years. We do our bodies a disservice by giving them drugs they don't need. Our immune systems are amazing at doing their jobs, they only need help sometimes.

 

I think people don't want to deal with being ill for a few days and want a quick fix and the doctors are irresponsible for handing them out like sweets. So what you've got a cold? You'll suffer for a few days and then you'll be fine. Antibiotics are for bacteria, most illnesses we get are viruses so they are mainly ineffectual anyway.

 

On a similar vain, unless you are vulnerable, why are we having the flu jab and now attempting to eradicate colds? We need to get sick sometimes, it's the best way our body builds immunity.

Agreed, I try to avoid antibiotics as much as possible. However I have to take them even for the smallest little thing now because the drug I'm on suppresses my immune system. I just hope they work when needed now. 

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This is more frightening - as individuals we can make our own decisions whether to take antibiotics but the routine administration of antibiotics to livestock preclude that choice, so we ingest them quite unknowingly.

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/28/opinion/la-ed-antibiotics-livestock-fda-report-20130228

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This is more frightening - as individuals we can make our own decisions whether to take antibiotics but the routine administration of antibiotics to livestock preclude that choice, so we ingest them quite unknowingly.

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/28/opinion/la-ed-antibiotics-livestock-fda-report-20130228

 

As the article you linked to says, it's not that we ingest them that's the real problem...

 

The danger isn't that Americans are eating infected meat or ingesting antibiotics, which must be cleared from the animal's system before slaughter. It's that this routine, low-level administration of medications gives rise to so-called superbugs that can withstand common antibiotics, many of which are also important for human use.

 

The antibiotic resistance of many bacteria is being developed in animals, not humans.

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Scary how slow the progress has been with antibiotics, no idea why GPs keep pandering to a lot of peoples' irrational fears by giving them antibiotics for viral infections such as the cold or flu.

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Scary how slow the progress has been with antibiotics, no idea why GPs keep pandering to a lot of peoples' irrational fears by giving them antibiotics for viral infections such as the cold or flu.

do they though?

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do they though?

I've binned a prescription before now and cough cleared up without, went to the GP about something else. I don't think the NHS charges for unpicked up prescriptions, not happy if wrong about that, but shouldn't have been prescribed in the first place.

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Cold and flu cannot be treated with antibiotics as they are viral infections. Antibiotics can only be used against bacterial and fungal infections. I'm pretty sure GPs would know that...

 

I know, I said that in my post. I'm sure GP's do know that, but as I said they pander to some people who think they need them. The customer is always right isn't really a policy that should be followed in medicine.

 

http://ideas.time.com/2012/04/16/why-doctors-uselessly-prescribe-antibiotics-for-a-common-cold/

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/doctors-prescribe-10m-unnecessary-antibiotics-6270761

 

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GP's do regularly give out AB's for things that don't need them. I understand that they can work alongside to stop things getting worse when an immune system is weak. For a while there was a culture of giving them out just to shut patients up. I've been offered them several times, but declined, when I didn't need them.

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It's a scary prospect - hopefully new leads in developing antibiotics will prove successful - and hopefully this will be the wake up call we need to a) stop using antibiotics in animals to make them fatter and b) stop giving it away to anyone who wants to, whether they need it or not. Simply just reducing the level of antibiotics we use on an annual basis would go a long way to at least delaying something like this - long enough for new antibiotics to be developed.

 

All is not lost yet.. but action is needed now. I'm going to do my part by informing people - admittedly a small thing but a surprisingly large number of people think the flu and cold are cured by antibiotics. If people knew they did nothing at all, they wouldn't waste their time using them.

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Kills 99% of all household germs!

 

I seriously worry about that 1%. We are too overprotective, too sanitised and too de-odorised and perfumed. What chance do our natural antibodies have if they are not exposed to background germs and then  would then be expected to cope with a super-resistant strain of an infectious agent?

 

Viruses are nasty but usually take time, raging bacterial infections if they get into the bloodstream can kill very quickly, We need that daily exposure to some 'dirt' in order to keep the body's defences tuned up.

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Kills 99% of all household germs!

 

I seriously worry about that 1%. We are too overprotective, too sanitised and too de-odorised and perfumed. What chance do our natural antibodies have if they are not exposed to background germs and then  would then be expected to cope with a super-resistant strain of an infectious agent?

 

Viruses are nasty but usually take time, raging bacterial infections if they get into the bloodstream can kill very quickly, We need that daily exposure to some 'dirt' in order to keep the body's defences tuned up.

 

I fully agree, I've hated those adverts with a passion for years. It seems we should all live in a completely sterile environment according to them, and god forbid we expose our babies/children to even a single germ.

 

Luckily, although clean and tidy enough, our family lives in a home that's probably full of 'nasties'. Having 3 kids and a dog kind of guarantees that.

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When working on the farm in the early 80's we used to inject 20mils per teat for mastitis which would clear it in a couple of days treatment,by the late 90's there was a very noticeable difference,having to treat for longer  and many times having to extra treat with a stronger underskin injection and even then may not totally clear it .

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When working on the farm in the early 80's we used to inject 20mils per teat for mastitis which would clear it in a couple of days treatment,by the late 90's there was a very noticeable difference,having to treat for longer  and many times having to extra treat with a stronger underskin injection and even then may not totally clear it .

By killing the sensitive bacteria, opportunist alternatives take over and you need to have samples sent off to determine what you are dealing with.

Increasing the treatment period with a drug that doesn't work properly will be of limited use, but not using a full prescribed course is known to speed up the development of resistance..

It isn't a matter of 'stronger' antibiotic but appropriate choice.

The more exotic antibiotics which have been held in reserve are not licenced for farm animals, and would likely be uneconomic if they were available.

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TB seems to have slipped under the radar in recent years. I had TB in my teens and I well remember visiting my mother in the local sanatorium where she was treated for twelve months. In winter one sat in the open chalets freezing. Anyway a letter in today's Times.

 

Sir, You are spot-on in your concern for drug-resistant infections. As a TB specialist I saw my first case of multidrug resistance 20 years ago. Now I see almost one a month.

 

Pan drug TB resistance was first described ten years ago. Now there are up to ten a year across the country. The latest WHO report shows that TB deaths, 1.5 million a year, are now exceeding deaths from HIV. For too long TB has been the Cinderella of infectious diseases.

 

Unless funding for new drugs, vaccines and diagnostics is increased we are in danger of reverting to Victorian disease levels.

 

Professor Peter D O Davies

Liverpool Heart and Chest Hospital

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BIG PHARMA to blame? Not enough investment into this type of research perhaps?   Seems to me that the huge profits they are making come partly from half the population being on the same 'lifetime repeat drugs' such as   Statins, Blood Pressure meds, Diabetes meds.   I am diabetic myself and feel that it would be better if perhaps 'foods to be aware of and avoid'  type literature was made readily available rather than meds, at least initially.   It's not all about sugar consumption.   Some foods readily turn to sugar in the blood once consumed.   I was surprised when I realised what they were.

A friend of my husband was diagnosed diabetic and was issued with meds.   He has since followed an avoidance diet and is now completely off the programme after 1 year.

I think big pharma now have their sights on developing prevention rather than cure drugs.   Hence antibiotics slowly getting the heave-ho?

 

 

 

 

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This is a big thing this.

 

I was talking to mum who was a microbiologist in her day and even then she was saying they should invest more time and money into different "types" of anti-Bactria drugs.

 

I currently have chest infection, it's rancid I was even coughing up blood specked mucus this morning this has now stopped and got on the normal cough syrup stuff to thin it. The problem is also with the way society (perhaps not enough teaching?) deals with stuff as simple as a chest infection.

 

(I would like to add that chest infections can be fatal to weaker people and the young and can in rare cases lead to worse conditions and death)

 

But normally we shrug a cold, chest infection of in a few weeks, but some "simpletons" think they are going to die when they have a little cough or runny nose, run to the docs and then get a prescription drug they don't really need.

 

 

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Prescription drugs do nowt for colds etc. anyway! 

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Aye, Luke, I think you are right...I can still recall being given antibiotics for colds and coughs, not because I necessarily had anything scary, but as a prophylactic. At the time this 'just in case' prescribing seemed sensible (trust me, I'm a doctor?)...But, with 20-20 hindsight we know it was mistaken: the folks most likely to prematurely cease their medication are those who didn't actually have anything bacteriologically wrong with them, in the first place...? We may, however, have been carrying a bacterial load, though insufficient to cause disease, fully capable of attaining immunity to antibiotics??

Isn't hindsight wonderful!:D

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On 11/19/2015 at 1:53 PM, Mokidugway said:

They can be effective against certain parasites too ...

Can they get rid of bankers?:D

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