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Well...Martin Winterkorn has resigned as CEO of Volkswagen after the emissions rigging scandal was exposed. Business ethics is one of my areas of specialisation, and it fascinates me as to where and by who the decision was made to install or manipulate software in cars to lower their emission statistics. No business, however squeaky clean it tries to project its corporate image, is immune from corruption.

 

Would this affect your decision to buy one of their cars, or keep one that you have got and go on supporting their business by using their dealerships?

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34340997

 

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It sounds like fraud, to me; which raises the question: Do car-manufacturers have the same blanket-immunity (one-off scapegoat notwithstanding!) that the banksters continue to enjoy? I sincerely hope not, but the cynic in me is not nearly so optimistic... :D

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Remember this advert from a very long time ago?

 

 

Just goes to prove that corporate speak means nothing!

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It sounds like fraud, to me; which raises the question: Do car-manufacturers have the same blanket-immunity (one-off scapegoat notwithstanding!) that the banksters continue to enjoy? I sincerely hope not, but the cynic in me is not nearly so optimistic... :D

 

Listening to discussion about this on R4 and I doubt it. Apparently it should be easier to bring litigation and there are various avenues that can, and probably will, be followed.

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Does this include Seat and the likes that use VW engines?

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Guess this massive fine... Could see them pull out of any proposed f1 team that had been  rumored  

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Apparently VW are unable to find their software development team as they have absolutely no idea how this happened or who gave the go ahead!

 

The car manufacturing industry is very competitive as is engine development, and emissions. It seems inconceivable to me that the issue could only effect one manufacturer, I suspect it goes much deeper and wider???

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Guess this massive fine... Could see them pull out of any proposed f1 team that had been  rumored  

They've set aside several billion € to cover the fines - how easy and convenient.

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Apparently VW are unable to find their software development team as they have absolutely no idea how this happened or who gave the go ahead!
 
The car manufacturing industry is very competitive as is engine development, and emissions. It seems inconceivable to me that the issue could only effect one manufacturer, I suspect it goes much deeper and wider???

 

I suspect that many other will have done the same thing and I think revelations will be made on others before too long.

 

No doubt there will be one person who instigated the idea, but had the compliance of a team. That's nearly always how these unethical conduct cases work. Nestlés baby milk scandal of quite a while ago was like that. It's human greed I'm afraid, human greed that is oblivious to the fact that we all suffer eventually from the consequences.

 

If anyone is less concerned by this because "it's only a bit of potential pollution" they should ask themselves what they would think/feel if it was safety data that was falsified. If they still doubt because they don't have a car or feel in control of the one that they've got, move on to buses, trains, and aircraft - scary eh...

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Guess this massive fine... Could see them pull out of any proposed f1 team that had been  rumored  

I suspect that this fine, though massive by our standards, will be peanuts to VW...And, like the banks, they'll simply pass them on to the consumer?

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350 billion in total assets , and is 50 percent privetly owned by Porsche ,so I think they will ride it out ..

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Mazda should have done the same with the RX8 - my road tax is sky high because of their honesty! :)

semolinael engine ,watch those tips!! Bloody swear filter !!. Edited by Mokidugway

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Very naughty but can't say I'm bothered too much. No doubt lots of VW owners will suddenly be rabid environmentalists who are 'outraged' and will join a class action to make some money from this. If I can get a cheap VW out of it though then that would be a plus.

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I wonder if there was/is a degree of complicity in at least some European Governments over this, by exceeding limits on certain emissions better MPG can be achieved which lowers CO2 emissions and more diesel and fewer petrol cars has contributed to reduced CO2 emissions from European road transport than would otherwise be the case. 

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Today's press looks like a lot more problems.

 

Apparently the problem will be announced to effect a lot of the European Motor companies, tomorrow. The engine has been placed in the Skodas  and a lot of the other VW aligned cars. They have set aside .£4.7 million for this quarter. The fine for America is expected to be about £11billion.

They have set aside £25billion in total for the US actions. . If, as expected, it is acknowledged throughout the world, then they wont get much change out of £100 billion. This has the capability to hit the group in the same way that the BP oil disaster  hit the British company.

It is not a chicken feed problem!

 

It also may start to impact in other ways.

 

Apparently the UK is on the verge of contravening clean air initiatives agreed by the UK under Brown. We will be very fined very heavily, if we lose the appeal..

 

The problem being that the engines have had little effect on CO2 compared to petrol engines when not in the adjusted mode. But more importantly they are spewing out loads of Nitric Oxide and Nitrogen Dioxide (both of which enable more ozone to be produced), together with 22 times more particulates. A professor at Kings College is reporting that that he believes that  5800 extra deaths have occured due to the extra contamination of the diesel cars.

 

This has a long way to run. We are only seeing the opening skirmishes.

 

MIA

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The original idea of the shift to diesel was CO2 reduction, and it was/did that, but has higher in NO2, win here, lose there.  Whilst we burn carbons there will always be issues.

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Jax..

 

But the smallish effect in CO2 reduction is many times worsened in terms of effect on humans, by the vast increase in NO2 (Forms Nitric Acid ) in the lungs and Nitric Oxide (produces Ozone and is toxic to humans). The particulates are over 20 times worse as well!!

 

It looks to me as if the rush to implement diesel was poorly thought out. It is having a much worse effect than any benefits on CO2 reductions

 

If this view is taken, it could be the end of much of the global use of diesel motor cars.

 

MIA.    

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